File spoon-archives/nietzsche.archive/nietzsche_2000/nietzsche.0004, message 51


Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:03:11 +0530
From: "Chand B. Rangwani" <indi_orpheus-AT-crosswinds.net>
Subject: Worthiness in a Man


Juan:

I think it was Nz who said he admired what Brutus did. What was necessary
despite the highest moral sacrilege of stabbing a brother-friend in the back, a
man he loved much.

Any idea why Nz says he thinks `Pericles to be the worthiest of men.'

For me it is Nz.

Juan Cruz wrote:

> even UFOs are rare, and Overmen have not existed yet, I think there have
> been some great men in history and even today. Napoleon, Fredrich The Great,
> ALex wasn't so great in Nietzsche's view cause he wasn't disciplined as
> Caesar. Davinci, Goethe, Jesus, Dostovyesky, Thucydides, Blaise Pascal, Jim
> Morrison (but alcohol) didn't let him overcome.
> Kurt Cobain (drugs) killed his will, etc
>
> rock is dead-
>
> >From: "Chand B. Rangwani" <indi_orpheus-AT-crosswinds.net>
> >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >Subject: Re: Can we create the overman?
> >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:28:23 +0530
> >
> >I don' there ever was an overman or there will be one. If striving and
> >becoming are the qualities of an overman, we can only approximate to
> >Godhood,
> >we can never get there. We cannot overcome our type, our speciation. But we
> >can try to overcome lots of our biological and social baggage - including
> >the
> >deep-seated needs to believe in absolutes.
> >
> >Goethe wasn't the overman: Faust was. While Faust could destroy his soul,
> >he
> >was unable to destroy his painful consciousness.  Christians see Faust as a
> >villain of sorts because they think he merely bargained his soul for
> >earthly
> >power. But Goethe puts an additional proviso:  his soul is only to be
> >forfeit
> >to the devil  if he ever remains satisfied with the passing moment. Critics
> >like Erich Heller descibe him as a man disillusioned enough to have lost
> >contact with the primal source of strength, but to my mind it was just the
> >opposite. Faust was the greatest exmplar of not just the Dionysian within
> >man,
> >but also of Nz's concept of amor faiti. He was the overman, but he wasn't
> >real.
> >
> >Juan Cruz wrote:
> >
> > > even though such type of men are very rare I'd say there have been some
> > > great men in History.
> > >   I like the inspirational movies like Rocky IV they give us some
> > > stimulation, remember art makes u stronger. (work) is what blocks us
> >from
> > > getting there, remember Bob Black
> > >
> > > >From: zatavu-AT-excite.com
> > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > >Subject: Re: Can we create the overman?
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:05:31 +0200,
> >nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  I wonder, is it possible for us through technology or dicipline, or
> > > >whatnot, to
> > > > >  create an overman?
> > > > >
> > > > >  Any thoughts would well be savioured.
> > > >
> > > >HItler tried that. He too missed the point of the overman. He cannot be
> > > >created, only self-created. Only those who embrace becoming rather than
> > > >being, who become Dionysian in nature can become overman. There have
> >been
> > > >overmen. Goethe, Mozart, Ceasar, Napoleon, just to name a few.
> > > >
> > > >Troy Camplin
> > > > >
> > > > >  Haakon Engen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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