Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:03:11 +0530 From: "Chand B. Rangwani" <indi_orpheus-AT-crosswinds.net> Subject: Worthiness in a Man Juan: I think it was Nz who said he admired what Brutus did. What was necessary despite the highest moral sacrilege of stabbing a brother-friend in the back, a man he loved much. Any idea why Nz says he thinks `Pericles to be the worthiest of men.' For me it is Nz. Juan Cruz wrote: > even UFOs are rare, and Overmen have not existed yet, I think there have > been some great men in history and even today. Napoleon, Fredrich The Great, > ALex wasn't so great in Nietzsche's view cause he wasn't disciplined as > Caesar. Davinci, Goethe, Jesus, Dostovyesky, Thucydides, Blaise Pascal, Jim > Morrison (but alcohol) didn't let him overcome. > Kurt Cobain (drugs) killed his will, etc > > rock is dead- > > >From: "Chand B. Rangwani" <indi_orpheus-AT-crosswinds.net> > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >Subject: Re: Can we create the overman? > >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:28:23 +0530 > > > >I don' there ever was an overman or there will be one. If striving and > >becoming are the qualities of an overman, we can only approximate to > >Godhood, > >we can never get there. We cannot overcome our type, our speciation. But we > >can try to overcome lots of our biological and social baggage - including > >the > >deep-seated needs to believe in absolutes. > > > >Goethe wasn't the overman: Faust was. While Faust could destroy his soul, > >he > >was unable to destroy his painful consciousness. Christians see Faust as a > >villain of sorts because they think he merely bargained his soul for > >earthly > >power. But Goethe puts an additional proviso: his soul is only to be > >forfeit > >to the devil if he ever remains satisfied with the passing moment. Critics > >like Erich Heller descibe him as a man disillusioned enough to have lost > >contact with the primal source of strength, but to my mind it was just the > >opposite. Faust was the greatest exmplar of not just the Dionysian within > >man, > >but also of Nz's concept of amor faiti. He was the overman, but he wasn't > >real. > > > >Juan Cruz wrote: > > > > > even though such type of men are very rare I'd say there have been some > > > great men in History. > > > I like the inspirational movies like Rocky IV they give us some > > > stimulation, remember art makes u stronger. (work) is what blocks us > >from > > > getting there, remember Bob Black > > > > > > >From: zatavu-AT-excite.com > > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > >Subject: Re: Can we create the overman? > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:31:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:05:31 +0200, > >nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wonder, is it possible for us through technology or dicipline, or > > > >whatnot, to > > > > > create an overman? > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts would well be savioured. > > > > > > > >HItler tried that. He too missed the point of the overman. He cannot be > > > >created, only self-created. Only those who embrace becoming rather than > > > >being, who become Dionysian in nature can become overman. There have > >been > > > >overmen. Goethe, Mozart, Ceasar, Napoleon, just to name a few. > > > > > > > >Troy Camplin > > > > > > > > > > Haakon Engen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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