Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:22:31 -0700 From: George Sherwood <search-research-AT-worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Convictions At 10:38 AM 6/14/00 +0500, you wrote: > > The word spider is used often in Nietzsche's works. The word "spider >skepticism" is used in Beyond good and evil" and I don't have the exact >source right now., "Spider" is repeatedly mentioned in Thus Spoke >Zarathushtra; in "The Tarantulas","The scholars", "The vision and the >riddle","Before sunrise","The three evil things" etc. The spider"spins" >its "cobweb" around our every thoughts. It is a form of skepticism but >in the worst possible form. Rather than increasing knowledge it destroys >it by creating needless suspicion, doubt and most of all it destroys our >faith in ourselves, in fact its very nature is to destroy all form of >faith. "The Tarantulas": I agree with Lampert's interpretation of the tarantulas passage. That the tarantula bites hoping to incite Zarathustra to practice revenge, which would be the ultimate repudiation of his own philosophy. After all, how could N criticize Christianity as a form of revenge when he himself abides by the same practice? Spiders are symbolic of the unequal's lust for revenge expressed through a longing for equality. "On Scholars": This is a critique of knowledge from others and practiced like a puppet, knowledge that is spoon fed and swallowed whole and spit out as if truth. ("They are good clockworks: but take care to wind the correctly!") Their "loaded dice" has no sense of intellectual courage and is swallowed by bias and secret agendas, predominantly the agenda of equality, which is anti-nature. Zarathustra is "too hot and burned by [his] own thoughts" because he is creating rather than regurgitating what is spoon fed, he lives "over their heads" and looks down from his peaks because his philosophy is one more natural and honest. "The vision and the riddle": Here, N is talking about the eternal return and for the first time openly expresses it: "Was *that* life? Well then! Once more!" This after encountering the spirit of gravity -- the personification of ressentiment and revenge. In contrast, man is the most courage animal because he can say, "Yes! Once more" to life and have to courage to "suffer" it again. Of course, then suffering would not then have the same connotation as it did (in The Wanderer section preceding this one, for example.) But Zarathustra has one more hurdle to jump, which is symbolized by the swallowing of the snake. "Before sunrise" is the celebration of health after Zarathustra has overcome his nausea of the eternal return of the little man. Yes, even the spirit of gravity shall return. It appears that N is talking about skeptics here with his use of doubters, but he is talking about those who doubt the possibility of the eternal return and the affirmation of all things: "For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp depressions and drifting clouds." And this line seems to contradict your argument: "that there is no eternal spider or spider web of reason; that you are to me a dance floor for divine accidents, that you are to me a divine table for divine dice and dice players." Zarathustra is speaking here about ideology and dogma that feigns to have The Answer to a better world. There cannot be one answer that will solve the riddle of life simply because "all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil". "The three evil things" is significant because it is only after Zarathustra says yes to all of life that he can now think of creating new values. He has consistently warned his disciples to beware (be skeptical) because he might be just another preacher of revenge. Only after he has said yes to everything, even his devil, The Spirit of Gravity, can Zarathustra be trusted with creating new values. Until then, his disciples should be skeptics. How then, shall we know when a mentor is preaching out of the sprit of revenge? N tells us, but if nothing else, we should just pass by and perhaps return later to see what, if anything, has changed. At any rate, spiders have more to do with revenge than with skepticism. George > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > "Having resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die" -- Malachy McCourt. --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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