File spoon-archives/nietzsche.archive/nietzsche_2000/nietzsche.0009, message 187


Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:25:28 +0100
From: Ruth Chandler <R.Chandler-AT-ucc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 16!


m

>>> <ma-AT-panix.com> 09/25 7:47 pm >>>
Ruth wrote:

> it strains my credulity to find that m is serious about this hurdy-gurdy
> called an exam. so, i shall probably be booted off soon for failure to
> comply with the discourse of 'we Nietzscheans' in operation here.  of
> course, i am also making a wager that m is ironic enough to set failure to
> comply as the actual test behind this one but, you never know...i quite
> enjoy dying on stage either way, so no harm done.

Wrong on all counts.  First of all, I would question your powers of 
observation: there is, I dare say, no "discourse of 'we Nietzscheans'"
anywhere
in operation on this list

what is an exam but a selective test attempting to establish just who 'we'
Nietzscheans opposed to those who fail to qualify. it is a discourse of 'we
Nietzscheans' in the making which is why it is of interest to me. 

, and it is not for "failure to comply" with this,
or any other, "discourse" that anybody has been booted off.  

ok, so the exam is not 'serious' after all?

Secondly, I would
question your abilities as a performer: what kind of a performer is it that
cannot muster seriousness with respect to a hurdy-gurdy? 

i was making reference to Zarathustra's remarks on the way on which the
animals interpret his teaching within the time of the circle. i don't take
these hurdy-gurdies seriously. 

 The hurdy-gurdy is
an ancient and noble tool of performance; why should one offend it by
being unserious about it?  Thirdly, it seems to me that the operative 
question about dying on stage is not whether or not _you_ enjoy it, 
but whether you can make your audience enjoy it. 

 performance and entertainment are not the same thing. e,g Brechtian
alienation of the spectator.

 The way I see it is this: 
Judith and I have to be on this list, because we are the moderators.  
And we want to enjoy it.  Are you an intelligent enough performer to give 
us enjoyment?  It is this, and not "failure to comply", that is the 
actual test, as far as I am concerned.

i also subscribed in the hope of enjoyable discussions and would still like
to participate in some. yet i have been told by Lamda.C that hygiene demands
that i do not write and this has not been seen as an issue for moderation by
yourself. i do not set myself up as an expert on Nietzsche but as someone
with a working knowledge hoping to learn more. i  have huge political doubts
about a model of enjoyment which centres itself around the virtue which
makes (others) small ( Lambda.C)and was  really very shocked that the
offensive contents of his remarks went unchallenged.

 as N remarks in Daybreak, how a thinker constructs his opponents is a mark
of his subtlety as a thinker. despite his theoretical acuity,  i find Lamda.
C's performance both crude and comical in this respect and a politically sad
rather than joyful experience.

Ruth.C






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