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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:54:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RE: Of the Three Metamorphoses


      
     When one is busily making a new world, a new
'belief-structure', as Nietzsche is, it is important
to note that children are easier to control than
adults. They are innocent, which means they are not
suspicious, and they are forgetful, which makes them
manipulable. Above all they have no history - a spin
of the wheel, a step in the dark - no ties to some
unforgettable past, all this makes it easier to teach
them something new. One is here reminded of Plato's
Socrates (in the Republic) banishing all adults in
order to build his utopia.    
     Camel, Lion, Child. First work, then war, and
finally - What? Perhaps Nietzsche's new world?

Joe


--- PTCFireSafety_HZ-AT-ril.com wrote:
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> 
> 
> I agree to Nathan.
> In addition to what he says about forgetfulness of
> children, which helps
> them reinvent themselves, they also lack the
> preconceived notion/definition
> of most of the things. And hence they seldom feel
> like sticking to things
> and make  thing temporary in such way as to 'really'
> live in present.
> 
> bholenath
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> newidder
> <N.E.Widder-AT-exeter.ac.uk>-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> on 01/02/2002
> 13:13:13
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> Please respond to
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> Subject:  RE: Of the Three Metamorphoses
> 
> 
> Basically the child is innocent not by being pure
> (for no one and no thing
> is
> pure) but because the child forgets.  Think about
> little kids when they
> have
> fights and each says "I'm never playing with you
> again" -- in about 15
> minutes
> they're playing again.  When their parents get into
> a fight, though, and
> say
> "I'm never going to speak to you again", they never
> speak to each other
> again.
>  The parents are sunk in ressentiment; the innocent
> forgetting of the child
> is
> a path to overcoming.
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Juan Ciriza <jciriza-AT-yahoo.com>
> >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:54:29 -0800 (PST)
> >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >Subject: Of the Three Metamorphoses
> >
> >
> >> Hi everyone:
> >>
> >> This is my first post to this list and I just
> wanted to ask something
> that
> >> is probably a very basic question, but anyways,
> there it goes:
> >>
> >> In Z's Part One, Z's discourses, the first one is
> named 'Of the Three
> >> Metamorphoses':
> >> "I name you three metamorphoses of the spirit:
> how the spirit shall
> become
> a
> >> camel, and the camel a lion, and the lion at last
> a child."
> >>
> >> The thing is that I find quite clear and
> elaborated the first and second
> >> metamorphoses of the spirit (camel and lion) but
> rather obscure the last
> one
> >> (child), where I find N didn't elaborate his
> concept of a child as much
> as
> the
> >> previous ones. He just names a few 'features'
> that such a spirit
> should/would
> >> have, such as innocence, forgetfulness, etc.
> Could anyone point me in
> the
> right
> >> direction? (either other works of Nietzsche or
> comments found somewhere
> else).
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot in advance.
> >>
> >>
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