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From: "Paul Murphy" <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: standard diatribes 
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:03:17 +0200


yes, but Islamic progress ended some time ago.  ie before the Enlightenment.
Why do civilisations decline, fall and rise?  At one point Islam was a
world-conquering religion, with fanatical warriors (Ghazis) who fought for
loot.  Then the Empire regulated warfare, and the army declined, ie became
less fanatical.  We had a problem with Islam in this country at the time of
the Satanic Verses, with some on the Left declaring that the Fatwah was fair
enough since R had insulted the Prophet, depicting his wives as whores.
Clearly Islam has little tolerance of viewpoint, but we have that here in
Ulster too, when Orangemen parade to demonstrate liberty, and frightened
Catholic householders complain about the following rabblement who insult
them (nothing to do with the official march, of course).  crimes of hate
evolve thoughtcrimes?
PM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Sanchez" <heliogabalus-AT-eudoramail.com>
To: <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: standard diatribes


> "Think of the social progress enabled here in the past century. Islamist
nations, however, will remain the same for the next 10,000 years."
>
>  you're such an ignorant bigot, Eric. Muslims were doing al-gebra prolems
when Europeans were dying in droves from a disease the cure for which is
bathing. and that so-called 'social progress' may cause planetary extinction
in about five different ways - assuming there isn't an accidental or
intentional nuclear launch in the next decade (considering the US and Russia
already came within ten seconds of nuclear winter), the CO2 emissions
released in the on-going industrial age may warm the globe enough to kill us
all.
>  and while the countries of Western Europe and the US are making more
graves than babies, the Islamic world is booming - think Indonesia. the only
last hope for continuing world dominance of the West is the military
cowboy-tactics of the US, which is why we're seeing this new Cold War called
the 'war on terrorism', and the desperate, suicidal attempts by the US to
play the global police force for world markets. i think Niezsche saw it
coming before anybody - your civilization is in its death-throes, not that
i'll miss the materialistic decadence of McDonalds-and-Starbucks-ification
of the earth.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:04:24   Scribe1865 wrote:
> >In a message dated 7-20-2002 1:09:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >villanova-AT-btopenworld.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> is it then possible to criticise the US?
> >
> >It's almost mandatory to criticize the US. My hobby horse in this palaver
is
> >that the critiques have balance. I've been arguing against one-sided
> >criticism, and so have appeared an apologist to some.
> >
> >The US demonstrates social progress. Painfully slow progress, but
progress,
> >because people can criticize.
> >
>
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