From: "Paul Murphy" <Villanova-AT-btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: standard diatribes Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:03:17 +0200 yes, but Islamic progress ended some time ago. ie before the Enlightenment. Why do civilisations decline, fall and rise? At one point Islam was a world-conquering religion, with fanatical warriors (Ghazis) who fought for loot. Then the Empire regulated warfare, and the army declined, ie became less fanatical. We had a problem with Islam in this country at the time of the Satanic Verses, with some on the Left declaring that the Fatwah was fair enough since R had insulted the Prophet, depicting his wives as whores. Clearly Islam has little tolerance of viewpoint, but we have that here in Ulster too, when Orangemen parade to demonstrate liberty, and frightened Catholic householders complain about the following rabblement who insult them (nothing to do with the official march, of course). crimes of hate evolve thoughtcrimes? PM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Sanchez" <heliogabalus-AT-eudoramail.com> To: <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: standard diatribes > "Think of the social progress enabled here in the past century. Islamist nations, however, will remain the same for the next 10,000 years." > > you're such an ignorant bigot, Eric. Muslims were doing al-gebra prolems when Europeans were dying in droves from a disease the cure for which is bathing. and that so-called 'social progress' may cause planetary extinction in about five different ways - assuming there isn't an accidental or intentional nuclear launch in the next decade (considering the US and Russia already came within ten seconds of nuclear winter), the CO2 emissions released in the on-going industrial age may warm the globe enough to kill us all. > and while the countries of Western Europe and the US are making more graves than babies, the Islamic world is booming - think Indonesia. the only last hope for continuing world dominance of the West is the military cowboy-tactics of the US, which is why we're seeing this new Cold War called the 'war on terrorism', and the desperate, suicidal attempts by the US to play the global police force for world markets. i think Niezsche saw it coming before anybody - your civilization is in its death-throes, not that i'll miss the materialistic decadence of McDonalds-and-Starbucks-ification of the earth. > > > > > -- > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:04:24 Scribe1865 wrote: > >In a message dated 7-20-2002 1:09:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >villanova-AT-btopenworld.com writes: > > > > > >> is it then possible to criticise the US? > > > >It's almost mandatory to criticize the US. My hobby horse in this palaver is > >that the critiques have balance. I've been arguing against one-sided > >criticism, and so have appeared an apologist to some. > > > >The US demonstrates social progress. Painfully slow progress, but progress, > >because people can criticize. > > > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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