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From: villanova-AT-btopenworld.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:40:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: that hitler?


Mussolini was a leading member of the Italian Communist Party in the pre WW1 era, but diverged from them because he supported Italy's entry into the war, and, indeed, fought too.  

>  from:    villanova-AT-btopenworld.com
>  date:    Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:38:07
>  to:      nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>  subject: Re: that hitler?
> 
> yes, Bullock is very dated, it is only a starting point.  Further reading:
> Ian Kershaw: Hitler
> Joseph Conrad: Heart of Darkness
> Gordon Craig: The Germans
> any of David Irving's biographies of leading Nazis are very good, I suspect your aware of the furore about his writing?
> Norman Finkelstein: The Holocaust Industry
> 
> Bullock sees German Nazism and Soviet Communism as 2 totalitarian regimes diametrically opposed on paper, but in many other ways, very alike.  However, Hitler also used Capitalism to fuel his dictatorship, and was very anti-Communist.  He was also, and this is where he diverges from the Liberal Democracies, very anti-Liberal.  A conservative like Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan would have many points in common with Hitler, since they were equally anti-Liberal, but not as extreme, except for their proxies in Latin America, Pinochet, Noriega etc etc.
> PM  
> 
> >  from:    Scribe1865-AT-aol.com
> >  date:    Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:20:18
> >  to:      nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >  subject: Re: that hitler?
> > 
> > In a message dated 7-22-2002 1:40:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > BMS4880-AT-tntech.edu writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > The Nazis were very right wing.  
> > 
> > I suppose at that level of authoritarian control, "wings" are beside the 
> > point.
> > 
> > A historian friend tells me that the author recommended By Paul, Bullock, is 
> > indeed reliable, though there are some new bios that are more up to date ... 
> > I'll have to read up on it if I can overcome my ennui ... 
> > 
> > Right wing conspirators taking over a left wing party by becoming it sounds 
> > like a bit of a stretch; they didn't do anything particularly right wing -- 
> > carried out the same catechism of genocide as the other Leftists (Lenin, 
> > Stalin, Mao, ho, Pol pot, etc.) ... 
> > 
> > When you've got tens of millions of dead, the distinctions between one 
> > totalitarian cult and another escape me ... Mussolini was another one who got 
> > his start under the Socialists, but I guess the uniforms weren't snazzy 
> > enough for him so he created fascism, which Pencilstache used as a model ... 
> > 
> > Tell me why I hate Mondays,
> > Eric
> > NYC
> 
> 
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