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From: Scribe1865-AT-aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:52:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Defining Islamism 



Heliogab writes 'but right-wing facsists were in complete control - meaning 
they used 'socialism' much like Eric uses the term, as a mask and a 
straw-person." 
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I was using "socialism" as a political theory. Socialists believe in 
government ownership of all economic entities and land. That's the defining 
characteristic in my nonconservative opinion. (Sure he disbanded trade 
unions, but he maintained the distinguishing characteristic of statist 
control.)

The innovation of national socialist fascism was to realize that central 
government did not have to OWN all economic entities in order to have total 
power over them. Thus, fascists tend to be extremely authoritarian and also 
comprehensive regulators. (Consider Hitler's fastidious rules about how to 
kill lobsters.)

Both ideologies -- and this is where leftism comes in by definition -- are 
based on the subjugation of individual liberty and free markets by the agents 
of the state.

Now, was Hitler a "true" leftist?  Not in the utopian (let's-all-hold-hands) 
sense bruited about on this List, but by the definition of government control 
and exercise of power, he certainly was. 

Eric
NYC





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