File spoon-archives/nietzsche.archive/nietzsche_2003/nietzsche.0311, message 10


Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:07:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: wise cracks and gender stereotypes




so you too know 'woman' and 'man'? are these your little truths made 
into general platitudes? despite declaring a deadly agon between the 
sexes Nietzsche does not spiritualise 'woman' as either a friend or a 
worthy enemy, rather they are still cats and birds, fit only for love. 
'woman', for Nietzsche, is 'unwomaned' in the public realm in her 
dealings with underdeveloped 'men'. he needs an apparent name for the 
mean and superficial in order to pose a multiplicty of 'real' men. he 
also ranks them as two types ( muscular and spiritual). while the point 
is contentious, the muscular links both to the warrior and the priest ( 
in a afffirming and reactive expressions). 'woman' as noise can both 
'clobber' and make Nietzsche 'suffer' at these junctures, even if 'she' 
is supposed to love only a warrior. however, i see little point in 
continuing with Nietzsche's misogyny in unsubstantiated gender 
sterotypes. 

  if your taste is for 'whippet wise cracks' then so it 'is'. there are 
one or two more interesting noisy dogs in Z though?

Ruth.C  


Scribe1865-AT-aol.com wrote:


>In a message dated 11/4/2003 11:34:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>R.Chandler-AT-ucc.ac.uk writes:
>
>
>> when Z does crack his whip later in the text, it is 
>> again a feminine voice 
>> 
>It was only a wisecrack (of the whippet). Earlier in the dialogue, 
however, Z 
>intones:
>
>Let man fear woman when she hateth: for man in his innermost soul is 
merely 
>evil; woman, however, is mean.
>    
>This seems to carry some unsubstantiated gender-stereotypical weight, 
though. 
>When men fight in a (physical, intellectual, or emotional) brawl, they 
seem 
>to want to "clobber" their opponents; women in a brawl, however, seem 
to want 
>their opponents to suffer.
>
>Eric
>
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