File spoon-archives/nietzsche.archive/nietzsche_2003/nietzsche.0311, message 16

Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:15:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: wise cracks and gender stereotypes

it all depends how you define cruelty strength,weakness, freindship 
enemity etc- i haven't got a problem with enjoying a little theoretical 
cruelty with those that can return it and, while not my preference, 
have no objection to mutually consenting sado maschisms-i do object to 
forced cruelties on to those that either can't fight back or don't want 
to fight at all. i also hope for a similar respect from those that are 
stronger than me. it is revenge that is the province of the weak, 
defined as hostility to the strong, not cruelty

anyhow, my apologies if i misread you as defending Nietzsche's gender 
generalisations. i encounter the attiude very frequently and may have 
been hasty.

nb Nietzsche was alerted to the death of his father on the sound of a 
howling dog. whippets aside, dogs do a lot of affective work in 
Nietzche's texts. wrote:

>In a message dated 11/5/2003 6:08:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> writes:
>>  are these your little truths made 
>> into general platitudes? ....
>> if your taste is for 'whippet wise cracks' then so it 'is'. there are 
>> one or two more interesting noisy dogs in Z though?
>Backtrack my whippet wisecrack and you'll see another poster's Sadean 
>punchline precedes it. 
>(-Why do you hang around with that Sadist? 
>-Dunno, beats me.)
>Also not my little truths or general platitudes but points of 
discussion -- 
>isn't cruelty a special province of the weak, a way for the weak 
(whoever they 
>are) to compensate for being less powerful? 
>Indeed, Z has his share of canine moments -- firedogs, dead dogs, wild 
>whining from cellars, dogs transforming into other creatures, and dogs 
who envy 
>and hate the wolf. At one point, I believe, N compares the wind to a 
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