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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:03:34 -0330 (NST)
From: Walter Okshevsky <wokshevs-AT-morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Re: PLC: LA Neocolonialism


I agree with the "Illiterate," Ceri. And if you stay, I'll buy you a
Double Diamond and read to you from your favorite author(s).
W

Walter C. Okshevsky
Memorial University
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On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Joerg T. Gruel wrote:

> Ceri,
>
> please don't go! I was that happy to see you join us, as I do think we all, in
> particular those stern academics, need the generous voice of the artist.
>
> Yet I cannot  make out the "vicious" in the post you've quoted. Though what is
> said may be unpleasant, it appears to be based on well-pondered reasoning, to
> which one may object (as opposed to resentment and prejudice, to which one can
> only turn one's back). But perhaps it's not this, but the aggressive tone of many
> recent messages that's disturbing you?
>
> Three weeks ago, we had to come over the expulsion shock, lick our wounds, and
> come to terms with the situation. But since then, I've watched the escalation of
> the "list wars" with growing uneasiness. While I hold that Andreas and Denis are
> wrong, and haven't acted with much wisdom, I still like them, and don't want their
> characters discussed in public. The whole confrontation is going ridiculous, with
> all those "swastikas", character studies, sneaking, exposure of private messages
> and threats with "printed media" and calling the institutions in. It's not the
> phil-lit moderators' privilege alone to behave like if they were in a
> kindergarten. It simply can't be "them or us" between people discussing P&L! Some
> of us have made our decisions, and that was that, but this does not turn people we
> conversed with into monsters.
>
> However, being an incorrigible optimist, I'm sure all of us will return to adult
> peoples' ways sooner or later,  They have their ways on phil-lit, and it's a great
> place, with great shortcomings too, avoiding perhaps frequent flames, but paying
> for it with tiptoeing and, well, slight dishonesty and auto-censure; and our ways
> of self-organization are just emerging - some fruits can already be plucked, if
> you'd give it a closer look. I'm convinced we can work this list into that Café
> where everyone may feel comfortable.
>
> So may I urge you to just give it a bit more time to let the glory of
> self-government shine in it's full beauty? It's worth the pain.
>
> Yours,
>
> Joerg
>
> "Leicht beeinander wohnen die Gedanken" - Schiller (the continental)
>
> Ceri Harris wrote:
>
> > At 05:02 PM 07/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>From John McWilliams,
> > >
> > >> your and Pat's repeated mention of Naziism is
> > >>  thoroughly offensive)
> > >
> > >And I'm pretty offended by English chaps who come on like friends of the Jews
> > >and as if they imagined they still had some moral mandate to instruct the
> > > world on how to behave.  The English chaps never seem to realize that
> > >England is one of the most egregiously anti-Semitic nations in Europe, and
> > >they never seem to know English history, beyond memorizing the names of kings
> > >and queens. .....
> > >
> > >
> > >pat sloane, humble native in the colonies
> > >
> > >
> > Please Reg unsubscribe me - freedom of speech is being confused here with
> > licence to be vicious.
> >
> > Ceri
> > Ceridwen Harris
> > cerihrs-AT-execulink.com
> > www.datahighways.co.uk/ceri
> >
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