Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:03:34 -0330 (NST) From: Walter Okshevsky <wokshevs-AT-morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Subject: Re: PLC: LA Neocolonialism I agree with the "Illiterate," Ceri. And if you stay, I'll buy you a Double Diamond and read to you from your favorite author(s). W Walter C. Okshevsky Memorial University ============================================================================ On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Joerg T. Gruel wrote: > Ceri, > > please don't go! I was that happy to see you join us, as I do think we all, in > particular those stern academics, need the generous voice of the artist. > > Yet I cannot make out the "vicious" in the post you've quoted. Though what is > said may be unpleasant, it appears to be based on well-pondered reasoning, to > which one may object (as opposed to resentment and prejudice, to which one can > only turn one's back). But perhaps it's not this, but the aggressive tone of many > recent messages that's disturbing you? > > Three weeks ago, we had to come over the expulsion shock, lick our wounds, and > come to terms with the situation. But since then, I've watched the escalation of > the "list wars" with growing uneasiness. While I hold that Andreas and Denis are > wrong, and haven't acted with much wisdom, I still like them, and don't want their > characters discussed in public. The whole confrontation is going ridiculous, with > all those "swastikas", character studies, sneaking, exposure of private messages > and threats with "printed media" and calling the institutions in. It's not the > phil-lit moderators' privilege alone to behave like if they were in a > kindergarten. It simply can't be "them or us" between people discussing P&L! Some > of us have made our decisions, and that was that, but this does not turn people we > conversed with into monsters. > > However, being an incorrigible optimist, I'm sure all of us will return to adult > peoples' ways sooner or later, They have their ways on phil-lit, and it's a great > place, with great shortcomings too, avoiding perhaps frequent flames, but paying > for it with tiptoeing and, well, slight dishonesty and auto-censure; and our ways > of self-organization are just emerging - some fruits can already be plucked, if > you'd give it a closer look. I'm convinced we can work this list into that Café > where everyone may feel comfortable. > > So may I urge you to just give it a bit more time to let the glory of > self-government shine in it's full beauty? It's worth the pain. > > Yours, > > Joerg > > "Leicht beeinander wohnen die Gedanken" - Schiller (the continental) > > Ceri Harris wrote: > > > At 05:02 PM 07/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >>From John McWilliams, > > > > > >> your and Pat's repeated mention of Naziism is > > >> thoroughly offensive) > > > > > >And I'm pretty offended by English chaps who come on like friends of the Jews > > >and as if they imagined they still had some moral mandate to instruct the > > > world on how to behave. The English chaps never seem to realize that > > >England is one of the most egregiously anti-Semitic nations in Europe, and > > >they never seem to know English history, beyond memorizing the names of kings > > >and queens. ..... > > > > > > > > >pat sloane, humble native in the colonies > > > > > > > > Please Reg unsubscribe me - freedom of speech is being confused here with > > licence to be vicious. > > > > Ceri > > Ceridwen Harris > > cerihrs-AT-execulink.com > > www.datahighways.co.uk/ceri > > > > --- from list phillitcrit-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > --- from list phillitcrit-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list phillitcrit-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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