Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 21:08:45 +0100
From: "Joerg T. Gruel" <jtg-AT-owl-online.de>
Subject: Re: PLC: sets




Dear Pat,

Nor am I coy; hackers aren't, they're tough; they don't care much
about ergonomy. Yet as you're passing over to me dear Walter's
cunning trap, I'll try my best to evade and let Renatus speak for
himself:

"Cum autem advertimus, nos esse res cogitantes, prima quaedam
notio est, quae ex nullo syllogismo concluditur, neque etiam, cum
quis dicit: ego cogito, ergo sum sive existo, existentiam ex
cogitatione per syllogismum deducit, sed tanquam  rem per se notam
simplici mentis intuitu agnoscit, ut patet ex eo, quod si eam per
syllogismum deduceret, novisse prius debuisset istam majorem:
illud omne, quod cogitat, est sive existit, atqui profecto ipsam
potius discit ex eo, quod apud se experiatur, fieri non posse ut
cogitet, nisi existat." (quoted after Feuerbach, who has Resp. ad
II. Obj., p.74)

Which means, freely put: conceiving ourselves as Thinking Beings
is a primary concept, which does not follow from a conclusion, so
that the "cogito ergo sum" isn't derived from a conclusion, but a
fact originally known is acknowledged by a simple intuition of the
mind. For if it were arrived at by a conclusion, you'd have to
know that major proposition first, that is, that everything
thinking exists - which you can only know from your proper
experience (so any such attempt would throw a petitio principii
error).

So what does the "ergo" mean ? as neither the mere concept of
thinking implies being, nor that of being thinking, yet in
considering the act of thinking I conceive them as being one and
the same, the "ergo" would denote the unrefutable certainty of the
intuition which  reveals that synthesis.

Would you mind asking Walter what he thinks of this ?

Cheerfully,

Joerg


Patsloane-AT-aol.com wrote:

> > Pat --
> >  Dear Joerg is playing coy again. Ask him what "ergo" means.
> >  Fondly,
> >  Walter
> >  ========================================>
> Dear Joerg,
>
> You're so smart about philosophy. What does "ergo" meant?
>
> Fondly,
>
> pat
>
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HTML VERSION:

Nor am I coy; hackers aren't, they're tough; they don't care much about ergonomy. Yet as you're passing over to me dear Walter's cunning trap, I'll try my best to evade and let Renatus speak for himself:

"Cum autem advertimus, nos esse res cogitantes, prima quaedam notio est, quae ex nullo syllogismo concluditur, neque etiam, cum quis dicit: ego cogito, ergo sum sive existo, existentiam ex cogitatione per syllogismum deducit, sed tanquam  rem per se notam simplici mentis intuitu agnoscit, ut patet ex eo, quod si eam per syllogismum deduceret, novisse prius debuisset istam majorem: illud omne, quod cogitat, est sive existit, atqui profecto ipsam potius discit ex eo, quod apud se experiatur, fieri non posse ut cogitet, nisi existat." (quoted after Feuerbach, who has Resp. ad II. Obj., p.74)

Which means, freely put: conceiving ourselves as Thinking Beings is a primary concept, which does not follow from a conclusion, so that the "cogito ergo sum" isn't derived from a conclusion, but a fact originally known is acknowledged by a simple intuition of the mind. For if it were arrived at by a conclusion, you'd have to know that major proposition first, that is, that everything thinking exists - which you can only know from your proper experience (so any such attempt would throw a petitio principii error).

So what does the "ergo" mean ? as neither the mere concept of thinking implies being, nor that of being thinking, yet in considering the act of thinking I conceive them as being one and the same, the "ergo" would denote the unrefutable certainty of the intuition which  reveals that synthesis.

Would you mind asking Walter what he thinks of this ?

Cheerfully,

Joerg
 

Patsloane-AT-aol.com wrote:

> Pat --
>  Dear Joerg is playing coy again. Ask him what "ergo" means.
>  Fondly,
>  Walter
>  ========================================

Dear Joerg,

You're so smart about philosophy. What does "ergo" meant?

Fondly,

pat

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