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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:29:39 -0500
From: "George Y. Trail" <gtrail-AT-UH.EDU>
Subject: Re: PLC: Marxist propaganda


The trick is that "education" is too broad a word.  At the RSA meeting
last month a good number of panels talked about the development of
rhetoric in 19th century Scotland as opposed to its treatment in
England. Its treatment in American education is yet another thing. The
notion (say) that one can begin with the Pre-Socratics and fly up to now
just won't work.(And notice here the blithe assumption that we are
restricting ourself to talking about so-called "Western" rhetorical practice.)


But if you want a good collection of attitudes toward rhetoric I would
recommend Bizzell and Herzberg's _The Rhetorical Tradition: Readings
from Classical Times to the Present_.

I've always thought that the best way to deal with Hirsch and A.Bloom
and Bennett is to say "Who?" whenever someone mentions them. A
Wittgensteinian Marxist eh? How do you do that? I've been working on it
for about fifteen minutes of the last six hours. I've never got further
than three minutes into it when my brain locks up and crashes, and then
I have to restart.  

cheers, 
g     
   

Walter Okshevsky wrote:
> 
> Not I, but then I'm what you'd call a Wittgensteinian Marxist. Intersting
> thread. I can't get too involved in it as I have 141 students to dialogue
> with. Marxist, Marxian and neo-Marxian critiques have had and continue to
> have a significant presence in literatures on education. The course I'm
> teaching pits the likes of Bowles and Gintis, Michael Young, Freire,
> Giroux, Apple and Kevin Harris over
> against such defenders of the Right as Allan Bloom, Oakeshott, E.D Hirsch
> Jr., William Bennett (good ol' Bill) and Paul Hirst (the early version).
> Why am I telling you this? Well, it's late and I just wanted to share.
> 
> George --  A past student of mine is doing a doctoral dissertaion on
> rhetoric in education and is looking for a good, clear, comprehensive
> history of rhetoric. Any sugestions? A collection of narratives written
> for whatever reasons I guess would also do.
>


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