Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:17:43 +1000
From: "dr.woooo" <dr.woooo-AT-nomasters.org>
Subject: [postanarchism] Fwd: Re: Race Traitor: "Abolish the White Race"




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    Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:49:41 -0000
    From: ffyddless <ffyddless-AT->
Reply-To: loveandrage-AT-yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [loveandrage] Fwd: Re: [postanarchism] re: Race Traitor: "Abolish the 
White Race"
      To: loveandrage-AT-yahoogroups.com

hiya all, havent posted to this list for a while...

> > P.S.  One more point:  I wouldn't judge the validity
> > of any movement by the
> > popularity among other social movements or lack
> > thereof.  I think most of
> > our "primary" social movements and the people within
> > them are far from
> > transformative or revolutionary.  The popularity or
> > prevalence of a movement
> > isn't equal to the potential of that movement to
> > create revolution or real
> > social change.
> 
> whether these social movements are "revolutionary" or
> not is irrelevant. 

???? this is a bit weird. to stick my neck out: new social movements 
such as women's lib, gay lib, the ecological movement and so on 
simply failed. most new social movements were complex but they 
overall lacked a revolutionary perspective, & were very reformist & 
aimed at changing the laws of the state, even if they were extra-
parliamentary. they have moved to the right far quicker than the 
traditional left did. here in the land of the long white cloud 
(aotearoa) we now have ex-women's libbers at the top of the labour 
party, backed by the buddies in the green party, who are extending 
and enhancing the savage new right kill the poor economics we have 
been subject to since 1984. while in contrast it took the traditional 
left about 50-60 years or so to be largely recuperated in the form of 
the rise of social democracy & bolshevism around WWI, moving away 
from its revolutionary beginnings in the IWMA.(the first 
international) (if you accept that is where the revolutionary 
tendency began that is)

so to me it does matter if a movement is "revolutionary" or not.

nope i'm not arguing like verity burgmann in her POWER AND PROTEST 
that the traditional left was overall far better than the new social 
movements and we oughta go back into the past -- i think it's time to 
update things with a genuine revolutionary synthesis of the best of 
marxism (without its bolshevik or social democratic bits), anarchist 
carnival communism and new social movements. i would prefer to see a 
praxis that is revolutionary & class based (class here defined in a 
broad way a la the autonomists) but not class reductionist, and 
recognises both the autonomy of women's, gay, indigenous, ecological 
movements from class -- yet at the same time recognises their crucial 
interdependence with class, that you cant struggle for one without 
struggling for the other. 

i think that many social movements today are slowly hinting towards 
this formulation eg, the best bits of the anti-capitalist wing of the 
anti-globalization movement, and this may hopefully slowly filter 
thru into working class struggles. i don't think what i have seen of 
postanarchism or poststructuralism fits the bill -- it seems to me to 
be the usual (middle class) retreat from class thesis a la Bookchin 
(but i may be wrong -- i dunno much about postanarchism). autonomist 
marxism comes much closer, so i dont think you cannae write it off 
just yet (tho i have muchos reservations about autonomism esp. its 
tendency to immediatism & reformism).

and yes, i cant see a revolution happening without people 
democratically running the wealth of humanity (the means of 
production etc) themselves. revolutionary to me also means a complete 
transformation of all social relationships & the death of the 
commodity & wage system. such a perspective is not incompatible with 
feminism, gay lib and so on. its not a simple either/or situation. 
they're all interconnected, these movements are all the more 
effective when they are linked together eg. the bastion point maori 
land occupation in auckland in the 1970s lasted almost a year when 
drivers staged a wildcat strike in support of it (it ended it with i 
think 500 arrests); the huge anti-nuke ship visit movement in the 
1980s in aotearoa was far more effective when wharfies declared the 
amerikan warships black; and of course the builders labourers 
federation of NSW in the 1970s. all these struggles i list were 
reformist but had lotsa revolutionary potential precisely coz they 
linked up working class self-activity with new social movement 
protest.

Fydd

in fact, their rise calls into
> question the notion of "revolutionary" here - is
> seizing the means of production revolutionary if you
> retain culturally-embedded patriarchal notions,
> homophobia, you continue to destroy the enviroment &
> you maintain racist perspectives? i refer you here to
> the Mujeres Libres, if you want a clear anarchist
> example of this.
> 
> sorry, i guess i'm just a nihilist Foucauldian on
> these points..
> 
> *s



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