Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: spencer <spencerpdx-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: [postanarchism] immigrants rights & anarchism i think you have to differentiate between what anarchist-oriented groups and individuals are doing, and what is written about in the journals. PLA/primitivists/green anarchist/etc have a super-tiny following. and IWW/NEFAC supporters are much more open then the hardcore of the groups. the IWW for example has some popular influence on the west coast of the US in cities like Seattle and Portland, but people "see" them as representing co-ops and worker-owned collectives, and not as a classic left 'workerist' organization (even if they see themselves that way). in Portland Oregon the annual May Day march, usually organized by people who would be called little 'a' anarchists or post-marxists or something except that they downplay ideological affiliation - but are closely affiliated with the anarchist milieu there - can draw one or thousand people (pretty huge for the US, esp a smaller town). in 2002 the march theme was for immigrants rights, with representatives from PCUN (a non-AFL-CIO radical labor union that organizes usually illegal hispanic agricultural laborers) in the front of this march. naturally local media ignored this and concentrated on 'violence' and 'illegality' or whatever. groups like Critical Resistance are popular amongst the anarchst community here in NYC - as well as APOC of course. beware of the "ideological" representations of anarchism - they are notoriously non-representative of what actually goes on in the anarchist milieu in the US, where people tend to identify with the kind of issues they are working on, and not with their ideological sub-niche. read the news journals - maybe 'slingshot' for example - to see what kinds of things anarchists report on, and hence what they are interested in. *spencer Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:27:12 +1100 From: "dr.woooo" <dr.woooo-AT-nomasters.org> Subject: Re: [postanarchism] Aragorn!: "Postmortem: A Conference Between 'Post-Left' Anarchists and Anti-State Communists" sounds really interesting, and positive i feel, i recently got a copy of ajoda, and i gotta tell you i am struck by how the movements appear split along the post-leftists/primitivism/insurrectionism and the groups like nefac/iww. maybe it is just where i am looking perhaps, but it seems like a huge amount of time is spent fighting over who are the real Anarchists. are there any 'anarchic' groups who are focussing on migrant labour, illegalisation, precarious labour, casualisation, linking indigenous autonomy, migrant resistance in the usa ? what groups in the us have a postmodernist- anarchist influence or can be seen to be acting in such a way if not a conscious ideological motivation. to me the class struggle anarchist, NEFAC / iww etc have quite old definitions __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
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