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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:43:25 -0800 (PST)
From: spencer <spencerpdx-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: [postanarchism] immigrants rights & anarchism


i think you have to differentiate between what
anarchist-oriented groups and individuals are doing,
and what is written about in the journals.
PLA/primitivists/green anarchist/etc have a super-tiny
following. and IWW/NEFAC supporters are much more open
then the hardcore of the groups. the IWW for example
has some popular influence on the west coast of the US
in cities like Seattle and Portland, but people "see"
them as representing co-ops and worker-owned
collectives, and not as a classic left 'workerist'
organization (even if they see themselves that way). 

in Portland Oregon the annual May Day march, usually
organized by people who would be called little 'a'
anarchists or post-marxists or something except that
they downplay ideological affiliation - but are
closely affiliated with the anarchist milieu there -
can draw one or thousand people (pretty huge for the
US, esp a smaller town). in 2002 the march theme was
for immigrants rights, with representatives from PCUN
(a non-AFL-CIO radical labor union that organizes
usually illegal hispanic agricultural laborers) in the
front of this march. naturally local media ignored
this and concentrated on 'violence' and 'illegality'
or whatever.

groups like Critical Resistance are popular amongst
the anarchst community here in NYC - as well as APOC
of course.

beware of the "ideological" representations of
anarchism - they are notoriously non-representative of
what actually goes on in the anarchist milieu in the
US, where people tend to identify with the kind of
issues they are working on, and not with their
ideological sub-niche. read the news journals - maybe
'slingshot' for example - to see what kinds of things
anarchists report on, and hence what they are
interested in.

*spencer

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:27:12 +1100
From: "dr.woooo" <dr.woooo-AT-nomasters.org>
Subject: Re: [postanarchism] Aragorn!: "Postmortem: A
Conference 
Between 'Post-Left' Anarchists and Anti-State
Communists"

sounds really interesting, and positive i feel, i
recently got a copy 
of ajoda, and i gotta tell you i am struck by how the
movements appear split along the
post-leftists/primitivism/insurrectionism and the
groups like 
nefac/iww. maybe it is just where i am looking
perhaps, but it seems 
like a 
huge amount of time is spent fighting over who are the
real Anarchists. 

are there any 'anarchic' groups who are focussing on
migrant labour, 
illegalisation, precarious labour, casualisation,
linking indigenous 
autonomy, 
migrant resistance in the usa ? what groups in the us
have a 
postmodernist-
anarchist influence or can be seen to be acting in
such a way if not a 
conscious ideological motivation.

to me the class struggle anarchist, NEFAC / iww etc
have quite old definitions 


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