Subject: Hate groups on the Net: reply
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:33:27 -0000


i wrote

> I believe that these Hate Group people are just as pornographic as
> those dealing with purely sexual matters. 

you replied

	eh?  pornographic as in "explicit description or exhibition of 
	sexual activity in literature, films, etc. intended to stimulate 
	erotic rather than aesthetic feelings"?

and i respond by mentioning that postings to Hate Groups mix and integrate
the ethnic,
economic, social, political, erotic and sexual in a way that postmodernists
would indicate as a
'breaking down of boundaries'. Some of the headers to these messages alone
proclaim their pornographic content boldly. Hate Group postings are, if you
like, theoretical whereas the tragedies in Rwanda, Yugoslavia and elsewhere
are the practical results of Hate Politics. Please check out previous
articles in _Observer_  and _Guardian_ newspapers dealing with the torture
of prisoners in the former Yugoslavia, for example. There the torturers
focused on the
sexual organs with male prisoners being forced to bite off the penises of
other prisoners. This was for the gratification of the guards. Mass rape
(of both sexes) is a feature of Hate Politics.
Indeed videos were made showing sexual torture. Again please check out
recent reports in the press and by Amnesty International. 

Zizek and others in his school, have written about the politics of
exclusion and 'fear of the theft of our enjoyment' and i highly recomend
his texts for a Lacanian or
postLacanian analysis of the sadism run amok in areas of so-called 'ethnic
conflict' which the Hate Groups feed upon and promote.


Fraternally,


Mike Jovic





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