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In the sense that "post-colonial" might describe a common desire for 
"colonialism" not to exist, I agree that the term is useful for 
naming such a "mode of consciousness". It's useful as a term if we understand that 
this area of study is, at its roots, all about power and NOT about 
any misguided belief that any period of colonisation (be it 19th 
century or not) is over - it's just taking new shapes. This goes for 
critical thinking as well. Orientalism might have said something 
differently, but it certainly didn't introduce critical thinking 
about the dialectics of colonialism.  Again- for me this is all 
attached to discomfort around post-modern assumptions. Have 
grand narratives really been broken down? They've just changed shape.

Ron Elliott

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> To state that there is no such thing as "post-colonial" seems to me to be an
> exercise in hyperbole.  (One whose spirit I agree with, by the way, but that
> is a separate issue.)  I think we do need a term that names a mode of
> consciousness that can thematize the issues of colonialism from standpoints
> that are, in a meaningful sense, beyond colonialism.  
> 
> To the objection that this does not necessarily overcome colonialism, I say
> look at the term again.  What is "post-colonial" is still part of the
> dialectics of colonialism, but CRITICALLY so.
> 
> As for post-modernism, I think it boils down to a theoretical determination
> not to resent or categorically discard inscriptions of the marginal and the
> other.
> 
> Greg Tropea   
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> To: postcolonial-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> From: postcolonial-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU on Thu, Oct 31, 1996 6:03 AM
> Subject: Re: joyce/Rushdie
> 
> Yes I have this problem with BOTH terms. I have always understood 
> Post-Modernism as an expression of academia's angst over not being 
> accessible to popular culture and therefore useful. In that 
> Postmodernism is supposed to represent itself in texts that combine 
> different genres (example - Ondaatje's " Running in the Family") and 
> address modernist literary conventions, then I would definitely agree 
> that Joyce is post-modern. I wouldn't, however be foolish enough to 
> study him!
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me on Post-Modernism's true identity?
> 
> Also - there's no such thing as Post-Colonial - I agree. I once heard 
> Gayatri Spivak say exactly the same thing at a UBC visit she did. 
> Nations like Canada/Australia, for example, may be self-governing, but they
> are 
> self-governing by the white settlers who ignored First Nations, so in 
> effect, they are still colonial/occupied territories. I try not to 
> forget as well, that American culture and Western multi-nationals are more
> cleverly
> colonising nations with less muscle through the back door of 
> business/English language/cultural erosion. Very Post-Modern of 
> them...
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> > 
> > Is Joyce postmodern?
> 
> Joyce liked myths and Jung. Can they be postmodern, too?
> 
> > but I'm rather uncomfortable about the 
> > whole term post-colonial, if only because it seem a little 
> > premature).
> 
> More brilliant than much onlist.
> 
> And thanks for the Ahmad cites.
> 
> > 
> a
> 
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