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From: "waiel ashry" <waiel1998-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Accrediting bodies (colonial discourse in a post-colonial list)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:16:28 


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<P>Dialgue requires a sort of respect to start with but if that important thing is not there, i am afraid that it can not take place. </P>
<P>Anyways is implying (albeit un-intentionally) that lebanese are a bunch of uncivilized people to whom Europeans r sent to do every sort of things (including very basic internet searches) diferent from killing 2 iraqis 2 days before and hearing president bush say it is a "routine" operation? </P>
<P>and isnt it linked  someway to the support that israel always gets regardless of the no of Palestinians killed daily? and int Isreal European in that sense, i mean adapting killing  the other as its basic strategy? </P>
<P>is nt all this linked  to the way europeans and americans regard or more precisely disregard the "other"? and didnt that disregard shape the european mentality including those who call for "dialogue" with the "other" that had always been "killed" in some way or other? </P>
<P>Regards</P>
<P>Waiel Ashry <BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: jaclynr-AT-free.fr 
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
<DIV></DIV>>To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Accrediting bodies (colonial discourse in a post-colonial list) 
<DIV></DIV>>Date: 18 Feb 2001 13:45:48 +0100 
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<DIV></DIV>>Must people always weigh their words before writing? Is there no more freedom of expression? Dialogue, compromise and mutual understanding cannot evolve if communication isn't allowed to flow uncensored oblivious to the "right" (read politically correct) way of saying things is established from the start. 
<DIV></DIV>>Why attack Perry for an obviously "spontaneous", albeit unclear request? Are you really sure that Perry is an evil, money grubbing, insensitive and arrogant westerner - read, "neo-colonizer"? You could have asked him for further clarification instead of attacking him first. Why are certain people so eager to attack others? I find this all the more disconcerting considering the nature of this list. 
<DIV></DIV>>I didn't feel like his request concerned me, like many others on this list; so, I simply didn't respond even if I found the wording of his text "strange" and rather ironic. Must every e-mail be analyzed for potential culturally "insensitive" material? 
<DIV></DIV>>How can people evolve intellectually and learn to say the "right" things if you castrate and castigate them the second they open their mouths. Reactionary watch dogs are everywhere, on both sides of the fence. I don't like "dogs" very much ... I hope this doesn't open me up to criticism as well (although I've obviously thrown myself into the fray) 
<DIV></DIV>>Let's not trade in one form of oppression for another. I'm looking forward to respectful communication and open dialogue - even if that means "putting up" with some potentially insensitive statements and eventually, while calling in to question the most "questionable" ones worthy of discussion & not petty attacks. This "love it or leave it attitude" was perfected by the American National Rifle Association and the American military ... enough said? 
<DIV></DIV>>Jaclyn 
<DIV></DIV>>a usually invisible spectator on the list... 
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<DIV></DIV>> > ** Original Subject: RE: Accrediting bodies(colonial discourse in a post-colonial list) 
<DIV></DIV>> > ** Original Sender: waiel ashry <WAIEL1998-AT-HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>> > ** Original Date: 18 Feb 2001 12:10:00 -0000 
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<P>i am Egyptian and i had worked in Kuwait and had a first hand experience of Europeans and Americans working in the arab world, taking hold of the money and then expressing their unhappiness with being in an uncivilized society. </P>
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<P>though i dont exactly know what "Perryh" does and i which university in beriut, i find it very hard to believe that he s the only "civilized" person there who can do an internet search specially that i have dealt with lots of Lebanese! Anyways i think he doesn't have to stay in "old poor beriut". </P>
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<P>Regards all <BR>Waiel Ashry <BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Perryh <PERRYH-AT-INCO.COM.LB>
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<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
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<DIV></DIV>>To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Accrediting bodies 
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:27:08 +0200 
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<DIV></DIV>>I work for a University in Lebanon, I do all sorts of 
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<DIV></DIV>>things for them, its the wild west here. They asked me yesterday if I could 
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<DIV></DIV>>find out who is the accrediting body for universities in NY, I was going to 
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<DIV></DIV>>wait for Monday to start searching ( I think they asked me this because I am 
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<DIV></DIV>>the only one who can do a net search!!) but thought I might try here. I'd 
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<DIV></DIV>>appreciate it a lot if anyone could tell me this, or 
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<DIV></DIV>>point me in the right direction. 
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<DIV></DIV>>What can I offer you in return? 
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<DIV></DIV>>Hmm, 
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<DIV></DIV>>could send you some nice pics of Damascus, a much more interesting place 
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<DIV></DIV>>than 
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<DIV></DIV>>poor old Beirut. 
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<DIV></DIV>>Cheers 
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<DIV></DIV>>Perry 
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