Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:15:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. w." <chemicalis-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: secular Islam


no, they are not accurate, they are mistranslated and
taken out of their contexts. some of them are
wrongfully translated , for example the one that says:
"Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the
truth->VI.25 ; VI.110" is taken out of the context of
omnipotence, etc...


 "C. J. S. Wallia" <cjwallia-AT-indiastar.com> wrote:
> "S. w." <chemicalis-AT-yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> >Kurtz writes with a language full of stereotypes
> dated
> >from the Dark ages ( MOOrs, barbaric, " they hate
> our
> >freedom"), he is a racist and he a naive believer
> in
> >"democracy" and an ignorant "intellectual".
> =====================> 
> "S. w." <chemicalis-AT-yahoo.com>, do you feel you have
> (in the above) 
> presented a refutation?
> 
> Are the Koranic quotes in Ibn Warraq's article
> accurate translations?
> What about the Koranic quotes in other articles on
> the 
> http://www.secularislam.org web site?
> Who is the founder of this web site? Who is the
> editor?
> 
> c. j. s. wallia
> 
> 
> ===================================> >here is
> >the last part of his poorly written article:
> >
> >"Fundamentalist Muslims hate the modern Western
> world,
> >its devotion to democracy, civil liberties, moral
> >freedom, reason, and science. In its place they
> would
> >establish a medieval and barbaric patriarchy, which
> >suppresses women and freedom of inquiry. Modern
> >Muslims realize that Islamic culture will not
> advance
> >until it enters into the modern world and accepts
> >democracy, secularism, and rational scientific
> >inquiry. They are intimidated by fundamentalist
> mobs.
> >
> >In the current situation we advocate caution and
> >prudence; and we hope that the hysteria and frenzy
> on
> >all sides will abate. Those who commit heinous
> crimes
> >of terror must be brought to the bar of justice.
> But
> >the terrorists are an international problem, not
> the
> >exclusive problem of the United States, and we need
> an
> >international convention of all civilized nations
> of
> >the world -- Moslem and Western, Christian, Jewish,
> >and secularistas President Mubarak of Egypt has
> >advised. Unilateral actions by the United States is
> >imprudent. We need all civilized nations of our
> >planetary community to act in concert against
> >terrorism.
> >
> >We realize that the American people are seeking
> >justice; and they wish to punish those who would
> >commit such foul deeds. President Bush has called
> for
> >an all-out war against terrorism, but had
> >unfortunately used the term crusade to describe
> that
> >war. He is to be commended for recognizing the
> threat
> >and asking Americans and others in the world to
> deal
> >with it. However, I would urge a reflective
> response.
> >Any action that we take should be in concert with
> all
> >our allies in the democratic world and also with
> the
> >support of moderate Muslim nations. The United
> Nations
> >should be involved and an international
> peace-keeping
> >force needs to be created. All terrorists should be
> >brought to the World Court in the Hague for a
> trial.
> >
> >A cloud of fear overlays America. People are afraid
> to
> >travel. There is apprehension of spies in our
> midst.
> >And there are calls for a limitation of our civil
> >liberties. There are fears that a police state will
> in
> >time result. We should not turn against our Muslim
> >neighbors, the vast majority of whom are not
> committed
> >to holy jihad. What is essential is that although
> we
> >need to defend ourselves, clearly, we also need to
> >protect our cherished civil liberties and our
> >constitutional guarantees and guard against their
> >erosion and abrogation. The United States has been
> in
> >existence for over two centuries, and our
> Constitution
> >has safeguarded this great democracy. We should
> not,
> >in a fit of fear and anger, be willing to suppress
> our
> >precious liberties."
> >
> 
> 
> 
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