File spoon-archives/postcolonial.archive/postcolonial_2002/postcolonial.0204, message 62


Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:09:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. w." <chemicalis-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Shall I say East


1)you are romanticizing the East for its "innocence",
peacefulness and lack of change when you said " 

>so the Chinese went home to read and
> rest an the Hindu gods were playing and creating
> recreating the world. 
and also

>because from the start of
> your
> history, which includes your Romans and Greeks you 
> have all been maniacs running around and killing and
> ruining everything in your path. 

you are falling in the Western thought and deeds you
are criticizing. from your logic I understand that
time in the west is different from that in the east.
Again a pure Western thought. 

2)you are  re-vulgarizing the Arab world for its
"barbarians" and Ali Babas, like many Westerners did
before.

3)you said,
>Indeed it was the east which discovered the western
>continents centuries
> before you did and we left it already and right away
> and perhasps this was so because we could smell the
> rotteness already being born 

Some of those eastners were Arabs. Does your "we"
include the Arabs. 

4)>that tyrants
> of
> any colour are pigs and worthless of human respect.
> that as a person who has suffered directly and
> indiretly from the arab history of racism and
> domination i am repulsed by them

again "them" (vs. "us"), "the tyrants" (vs.the
victims), "racism"(or they hate us/or we are more
tolerant), "domination" (power over us or others) your
disgust reminds me of the language that's been used
since the Medieval ages in order to raise an army
against the East you are claiming to know better.
Bernard Lewis should be  proud of you.

SALAM


--- eldorra mitchell <manynotone-AT-yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>  
> dear people, why do you assume i am educated more
> than
> others. i merely read and respond. perhaps i err,
> and
> doubtless i do, but they are honest mistakes and not
> the politically correct lies most rational liberal
> liars live off of. would there were more honesty
> some
> of us might cross the colour line and meet the Other
> (in Levinas' sense of the term) and have an
> encounter
> that is indeed ethically based, and not merely
> ancestral. if i seem to be merely ancestral you will
> of course forgive me as i am not educated at all. so
> dont assuume. it. my opinion of arabs is just that,
> an
> opinion and does not lay claim to be some god given
> truth; if you wish to convince or persuade me to
> think
> otherwise, then by all means go right ahead. in the
> meanwhile i shall state what i think. : also that my
> feelings toward all of these western monotheistic
> religions is based their behaviour in history; that
> had god or whatever powers be had dictated otherwise
> then perhaps Africa India and the Chinese gods would
> rule the historical world you have thrust on us and
> that then perhaps a peace universal would be seen on
> the globe; but this has not been the case, so
> therefore its the mess the western world has made
> and
> created which the rest of us have to live with:to me
> that includes the arabs and their religion; it
> includes the christians and their religion, it
> includes the jews and their religion; history is not
> very forgiving from what i see. so let it complete
> its
> circles of death and life and rebirth and when this
> nightmarish Kalpa has run its course then this
> nonesenese of the west will be over forever and the
> world can turn again in another dream of  -- a dream
> of peace such that westerners cannot understand and
> have never understand; because from the start of
> your
> history, which includes your Romans and Greeks you 
> have all been maniacs running around and killing and
> ruining everything in your path. Indeed it was the
> east which discovered the western continents
> centuries
> before you did and we left it already and right away
> and perhasps this was so because we could smell the
> rotteness already being born and that the Kalpa was
> inevitable and some world you westener s
> never
> understood and never I suppose can understand. And
> please do not speak to me and say O you are an
> idealist Because I will say, that is your language
> and
> your terms and we have nothing of it here; we know
> about illusion and dealt with it centuries back. Let
> me quote to you your western thinker Nietzsche:
> Buddhism is a thousand times more sophisticated than
> Christianity . And so on :please go and read him, he
> might teach you something about your sociiteties and
> their origins in barbarisms and moralisms we of the
> east and of mother africa know nothing of. the west
> is
> sick and has been since its inception. Go and read
> the
> Story of Gilgamesh.It predates your mad jewish story
> 
> of the flood and is closer to us than your mad
> islams
> and christians; and Dont tell me I am an idealist,
> because that is merely the language of the conquerer
> and that is what you were. And it is also the
> language
> you speak best and you dont even understand your
> poets
> and so on so how can you ever have understood us and
> Our TEEMing MIllions of Bodies and People our
> Teeming
> Billions: Billions, Let me remind you Billions.Only
> your Blake is near to us and perpinquity is theheart
> of karma.Forget your mad and violent origins and let
> go your mad JudeoGreco insanities and go East.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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