Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: chemicalis <chemicalis-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: palestinian state


dear berry-
if your are trying to be all about Palestine because
you are a cool intellectual, you are missing it.
Palestine does not need people ;like you or anyother
to speculate on its future. I am sure you are watching
and reading the US media. WHO SAID THAT PALESTINE IS
GOING TO BE A MUSLIM STATE? 
so, dear berry-
you assume that those Saudi-the bedouin, barbarians,
undemocratic, savages will impose on the World and the
Palestinians a Muslim Palestine. yeah because they
don't respect anyother people's religion, those
Muslims. 
a point about Democracy: it is always assumed in the
West that there is no Democracy in the Arab world. Is
there Democracy when you have to chose between 2
people in the US?  is there democracy, when the media
represents the single minded views of the 10%
Americans and spread them like the plague to the
sickening  mob. and Is the the US a secular state? no
it is a Protestant state.


so what is wrong with giving the families of the
suicide bombers money, they did not give money to
people to go bomb people. the US, France, and britain
gives a "wages" for its veterans for killing innocent
people in their colonised land if they survive the
war. the Us gave money to the families of the "heroes"
in the WWTC who did nothing but happen to be there.
nobody complained and even people donated money to
them. 

who are you and Eldorra to decide when Arafat must go?
you obviously do not know anything about the man or
his people. what if somebody decided to kik you out of
you job or your PhD program because you are not doing
what he wants, if that a fruitful decision. is that
Democracy in your eyes, Demacracy allows his people
not you, to decide when he has to go.

so please do  not get involved into anything you don't
know anything about. you just make a moron out of your
self.
 and by the way, just to shake your stereotipical
uber-vision, there are secular Arab states. 




--- berry anchang <nttd-AT-email.com> wrote:
> kamran, thanks for the information.  sorry for not
> mentioning israel, but the occupation is so
> obviously, blatanly, egregiously wrong it seems to
> go without saying at this point.  a couple more
> questions to push the discusssion beyond the obvious
> (maybe the obvious is the whole story--and this is
> just wild speculation--but i'm jut wondering):  
> 
> what is the likelihood that neighboring arab nations
> like saudi arabia (or non-arab islamic states like
> iran) will accept a democratic, secular palestine? 
> since saudi arabia accepts neither democracy nor
> secularism in its own kingdom it seems doubtful that
> it--and similar regimes--would be supportive of a
> democratic, secular arab palestine.  a democratic,
> secular palestine could thus be a politically
> destabilizing force in the middle east?  is this
> perhaps why the saudis are providing financial
> incenctives to palestinian suicide bombers?  suicide
> bombers ensure israeli military response, which
> ensures more suicide bombers, ensuring the
> perpetuation of the conflagration ad infinitum.  so
> what, ultimately, is the goal of this suicide
> bombing strategy (again, beyond the obvious
> destruction to israel?)  the creation of a
> democratic, secular palestine or the creation of an
> islamic palestine?  
> 
> by the same token, doesnt the perpetuation of the
> conflagration ensure arafat's power/leadership
> position (sorry, does he have a title?)  if a
> democratic palestine were to be created tomorrow,
> what is the likelihood that arafat would be leading
> this nation a year or two down the road? as eldorra
> and others have noted, it appears that it's time for
> arafat to go; but as long as the conflagration
> persists, he's able to retain power. 
> 
> i guess the overarching question here is: besides
> the obvious (israel, us) whose interests are really
> being served by the perpetuation of the
> israeli-palestinian conflict--and why?
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