Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:46:19 -0800
Subject: Re: postcolonial-digest V2 #2081


Did anyone turn out to have information on the Tom Paulin lecture at
Harvard?  I would be interested also.

Catherine Eagan

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> I Verlaine, le fou, and son of Jean Genet agree wholeheartedly with you. I
> Eldorra. Mitchell.
> Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon <jaclynr-AT-free.fr> wrote:I agree with everyone's
> previous comments. However, what I find most
> troubling is that Rushdie regularly chooses to republicize (and rehash) the
> events that the Western media exploits to further disseminate the views and
> absurdities/atrocities carried out by the radical fringe of Islam. There
> are indeed many centralist (and pacifist) Muslims out there even in
> Palestine, demonstrating, writing, organizing. Their voices are continually
> muffled or ignored; they get little if any publicity or attention and
> subsequently no support. I don't think that Rushdie is correct in saying
> that very few of these "types" of Muslims are speaking up. Perhaps there
> are not enough but we often have news to the contrary right here on this
> list. Does Rushdie only read the NYT? Why doesn't he utilize the
> mainstream media attention he has (ie. regular editorials in the NYT &
> Guardian) to talk about & disseminate these voices. Edward Sad often uses
> his "power" to do this, doesn't he? I'm not suggesting that Rushdie has to
> be the "spokesperson" for Muslims, but he chooses to talk about Islam in his
> editorials. Why do they simply seem to echo what is already out there in
> mainstream press?
> 
> Wait a minute, I just got an idea. I, as an American living in France, am
> often ashamed of the vision the rest of the world has of American foreign
> policy and other sorts of American arrogance; and rightly so. However, I
> think one of my errors is in choosing to focus on the backward,
> archconservative, capital driven opinions and behavior that comes out of the
> USA. If I wanted to be more effective in changing opinions at home and
> abroad, I would do better to share alternative opinions and voices of "good"
> Americans and "positive" foreign policy (if it exists ;)).... Wouldn't I?
> 
> So, maybe the link between myself and Rushdie is shame (and not fury -elbow,
> elbow). Shame gets in the way of showing others who you really are.
> Shamefilled expats end up sounding like patriots of their adopted motherland
> or hemisphere (to oversimplify), in order to not sound like the "crazier"
> voices of their origins. For example, when I read Rushdie's editorials (as
> opposed to his literature) I only hear his "Western" voice. Would you agree
> with me? I mean, how many times do I have to hear my husband tell me I'm
> more French than the French in order to understand where I'm going wrong?!
> (I used to take this as a compliment but I'm not so sure anymore)
> 
> Is this the new cosmopolitan challenge? Is this how we move from poco to
> cosmo? Stop killing (or rusing with) the "father" or "mother" (land) and
> start making "hybrid" babies of your own!?
> 
> Jaclyn
> 
> PS - good to hear from you again Lou!
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> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:56 PM
> Subject: NYT Op-Ed Salman Rushdie 271102: a response to Jaclyn
> 
> 
>> I'd agree with Jaclyn in suggesting that Rushdie's disappointment in the
>> centralist Muslim community is not without some merit. I read him not so
> much as
>> "lopsided" but rather consistent in wanting Muslims of "peace" to speak
> more
>> forcefully. These aren't necessarily "Westernized" Muslims but Muslims of
>> reconciliation. After all, Mohammed hated war, and the Koran is filled
> with
>> admonitions to "guide" the non-believer rather than fight him or her. Of
>> course, there are the, by now, fairly well-known references to violence
> and
>> "jihad" in the Koran, as well. But Rushdie seems to ask the centralist
> Muslim
>> to read these troubling passages historically, not prescriptively. I
> would
>> think most list-members would endorse that effort (?).
>> 
>> lc
>> 
>> 
>> Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Fellow Pocos,
>>> Here is the latest op-ed by Salman Rushdie in the NYT, FYI.
>>> Although I do not particularly disagree with his criticisms in this
> essay, I
>>> have found since 911 a certain "lopsidedness" in his political discourse
>>> that is simplistic and populist. It seems to merely feed the numerous
> (free
>>> floating) stereotypes about Islam and "Other" Muslims. Are the only
> good
>>> Muslims Western enlightened ones? This reminds me of the overlapping
>>> discourses (and animated animosity) in gay studies and feminism, where
> the
>>> "best" kind of woman is a man (albeit a transsexual one); as illustrated
> in
>>> the 90's film, "The Crying Game".
>>> Perhaps Rushdie has always expressed these kinds of opinions, but I am
>>> regularly troubled by his editorial views as of late.
>>> I'm curious to hear what you think.
>>> Best,
>>> Jaclyn
>>> 
>>> November 27, 2002
>>> No More Fanaticism as Usual
>>> By SALMAN RUSHDIE
>>> 
>>> t's been quite a week in the wonderful world of Islam.
>>> Nigerian Islam's encounter with that powerhouse of subversion, the Miss
>>> World contest, has been unedifying, to put it mildly. First some of the
>>> contestants had the nerve to object to a Shariah court's sentence that a
>>> Nigerian woman convicted of adultery be stoned to death and threatened
> to
>>> boycott the contest - which forced the Nigerian authorities to promise
> that
>>> the woman in question would not be subjected to the lethal hail of
> rocks.
>>> And then Isioma Daniel, a Christian Nigerian journalist, had the
> effrontery
>>> to suggest that if the prophet Muhammad were around today, he might have
>>> wanted to marry one of these swimsuit hussies himself.
>>> Well, obviously, that was going too far. True-believing Nigerian Muslims
>>> then set about the holy task of killing, looting and burning while
> calling
>>> for Ms. Daniel to be beheaded, and who could blame them? Not the
> president
>>> of Nigeria, who put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the hapless
>>> journalist. (Germaine Greer and other British-based feminists, unhappy
> about
>>> Miss World's decision to move the event to London, preferred to grouse
> about
>>> the beauty contest. The notion that the killers, looters and burners
> should
>>> be held accountable seems to have escaped notice.)
>>> Meanwhile, in the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hashem Aghajari, a person
> with
>>> impeccable Islamist credentials - a leg lost in battle and a rsum that
>>> includes being part of the occupying force that seized the Great Satan's
>>> Tehran embassy back in the revolution's salad days - languishes under a
>>> sentence of death imposed because he criticized the mullahs who run the
>>> country. In Iran, you don't even have to have cheeky thoughts about the
>>> prophet to be worthy of being killed. The hearts of true believers are
>>> maddened a lot more easily than that. Thousands of young people across
> the
>>> country were immature enough to protest against Mr. Aghajari's sentence,
> for
>>> which the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, duly rebuked them.
> (More
>>> than 10,000 true believers marched through Tehran in support of
> hard-line
>>> Islam.)
>>> Meanwhile, in Egypt, a hit television series, "Horseman Without a
> Horse,"
>>> has been offering up antiSemitic programming to a huge, eager audience.
> That
>>> old forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - a document
> purporting
>>> to prove that there really is a secret Jewish plot to take over the
> world,
>>> and which was proved long ago to have been faked by Czar Nicholas II's
>>> secret police - is treated in this drama series as historical fact.
>>> Yes, this is the same Egypt in which the media are rigorously censored
> to
>>> prevent anything that offends the authorities from seeing the light of
> day.
>>> But hold on just a moment. Here's the series' star and co-writer,
> Mohammed
>>> Sobhi, telling us that what is at stake is nothing less than free speech
>>> itself, and if his lying show "terrified Zionists," well, tough. He'll
> make
>>> more programs in the same vein. Now there's a gutsy guy.
>>> Finally, let's not forget the horrifying story of the Dutch Muslim
> woman,
>>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has had to flee the Netherlands because she said
> that
>>> Muslim men oppressed Muslim women, a vile idea that so outraged Muslim
> men
>>> that they issued death threats against her.
>>> Is it unfair to bunch all these different uglinesses together? Perhaps.
> But
>>> they do have something in common. Ayaan Hirsi Ali was accused of being
> "the
>>> Dutch Salman Rushdie," Mr. Aghajari of being the Iranian version, Isioma
>>> Daniel of being the Nigerian incarnation of the same demon.
>>> A couple of months ago I said that I detested the sloganization of my
> name
>>> by Islamists around the world. I'm beginning to rethink that position.
> Maybe
>>> it's not so bad to be a Rushdie among other "Rushdies." For the most
> part
>>> I'm comfortable with, and often even proud of, the company I'm in.
>>> Where, after all, is the Muslim outrage at these events? As their
> ancient,
>>> deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is
>>> hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants,
> fanatics
>>> and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?
>>> At least in Iran the students are demonstrating. But where else in the
>>> Muslim world can one hear the voices of the fair-minded, tolerant Muslim
>>> majority deploring what Nigerian, Egyptian, Arab and Dutch Muslims are
>>> doing? Muslims in the West, too, seem unnaturally silent on these
> topics. If
>>> you're yelling, we can't hear you.
>>> If the moderate voices of Islam cannot or will not insist on the
>>> modernization of their culture - and of their faith as well - then it
> may be
>>> these so-called "Rushdies" who have to do it for them. For every such
>>> individual who is vilified and oppressed, two more, ten more, a thousand
>>> more will spring up. They will spring up because you can't keep people's
>>> minds, feelings and needs in jail forever, no matter how brutal your
>>> inquisitions. The Islamic world today is being held prisoner, not by
> Western
>>> but by Islamic captors, who are fighting to keep closed a world that a
> badly
>>> outnumbered few are trying to open. As long as the majority remains
> silent,
>>> this will be a tough war to win. But in the end, or so we must hope,
> someone
>>> will kick down that prison door.
>>> 
>>> Salman Rushdie is author, most recently, of "Step Across This Line."
>>> 
>>> Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy
>>> 
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> <P>I Verlaine, le fou, and son of Jean Genet agree wholeheartedly with you. I
> Eldorra. Mitchell.
> <P> <B><I>Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon <jaclynr-AT-free.fr></I></B>
> wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff
> 2px solid">I agree with everyone's previous comments. However, what I find
> most<BR>troubling is that Rushdie regularly chooses to republicize (and
> rehash) the<BR>events that the Western media exploits to further disseminate
> the views and<BR>absurdities/atrocities carried out by the radical fringe of
> Islam. There<BR>are indeed many centralist (and pacifist) Muslims out there
> even in<BR>Palestine, demonstrating, writing, organizing. Their voices are
> continually<BR>muffled or ignored; they get little if any publicity or
> attention and<BR>subsequently no support. I don't think that Rushdie is
> correct in saying<BR>that very few of these "types" of Muslims are speaking
> up. Perhaps there<BR>are not enough but we often have news to the contrary
> right here on this<BR>list. Does Rushdie only read the NYT? Why doesn't he
> utilize the<BR>mainstream media attention he has (ie. regular editorials in
> the NYT &<BR>Guardian) to talk about & disseminate these voices.
> Edward Sad often uses<BR>his "power" to do this, doesn't he? I'm not
> suggesting that Rushdie has to<BR>be the "spokesperson" for Muslims, but he
> chooses to talk about Islam in his<BR>editorials. Why do they simply seem to
> echo what is already out there in<BR>mainstream press?<BR><BR>Wait a minute, I
> just got an idea. I, as an American living in France, am<BR>often ashamed of
> the vision the rest of the world has of American foreign<BR>policy and other
> sorts of American arrogance; and rightly so. However, I<BR>think one of my
> errors is in choosing to focus on the backward,<BR>archconservative, capital
> driven opinions and behavior that comes out of the<BR>USA. If I wanted to be
> more effective in changing opinions at home and<BR>abroad, I would do better
> to share alternative opinions and voices of "good"<BR>Americans and "positive"
> foreign policy (if it exists ;)).... Wouldn't I?<BR><BR>So, maybe the link
> between myself and Rushdie is shame (and not fury -elbow,<BR>elbow). Shame
> gets!
> in the way of showing others who you really are.<BR>Shamefilled expats end up
> sounding like patriots of their adopted motherland<BR>or hemisphere (to
> oversimplify), in order to not sound like the "crazier"<BR>voices of their
> origins. For example, when I read Rushdie's editorials (as<BR>opposed to his
> literature) I only hear his "Western" voice. Would you agree<BR>with me? I
> mean, how many times do I have to hear my husband tell me I'm<BR>more French
> than the French in order to understand where I'm going wrong?!<BR>(I used to
> take this as a compliment but I'm not so sure anymore)<BR><BR>Is this the new
> cosmopolitan challenge? Is this how we move from poco to<BR>cosmo? Stop
> killing (or rusing with) the "father" or "mother" (land) and<BR>start making
> "hybrid" babies of your own!?<BR><BR>Jaclyn<BR><BR>PS - good to hear from you
> again Lou!<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Lou Caton"
> <LCATON-AT-WISDOM.WSC.MA.EDU><BR>To:
> <POSTCOLONIAL-AT-LISTS.VILLAGE.VIRGINIA.EDU><BR>Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002
> 5:56 PM<BR>Subject: NYT Op-Ed Salman Rushdie 271102: a response to
> Jaclyn<BR><BR><BR>> I'd agree with Jaclyn in suggesting that Rushdie's
> disappointment in the<BR>> centralist Muslim community is not without some
> merit. I read him not so<BR>much as<BR>> "lopsided" but rather consistent
> in wanting Muslims of "peace" to speak<BR>more<BR>> forcefully. These
> aren't necessarily "Westernized" Muslims but Muslims of<BR>>
> reconciliation. After all, Mohammed hated war, and the Koran is
> filled<BR>with<BR>> admonitions to "guide" the non-believer rather than
> fight him or her. Of<BR>> course, there are the, by now, fairly well-known
> references to violence<BR>and<BR>> "jihad" in the Koran, as well. But
> Rushdie seems to ask the centralist<BR>Muslim<BR>> to read these troubling
> passages historically, not prescriptively. I<BR>would<BR>> think most
> list-members would endorse that effort (?).<BR>><BR>>
> lc<BR>><BR>><BR>> Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon wrote:<BR>><BR>>
> > Hello Fel!
> low Pocos,<BR>> > Here is the latest op-ed by Salman Rushdie in the NYT,
> FYI.<BR>> > Although I do not particularly disagree with his criticisms
> in this<BR>essay, I<BR>> > have found since 911 a certain "lopsidedness"
> in his political discourse<BR>> > that is simplistic and populist. It
> seems to merely feed the numerous<BR>(free<BR>> > floating) stereotypes
> about Islam and "Other" Muslims. Are the only<BR>good<BR>> > Muslims
> Western enlightened ones? This reminds me of the overlapping<BR>> >
> discourses (and animated animosity) in gay studies and feminism,
> where<BR>the<BR>> > "best" kind of woman is a man (albeit a transsexual
> one); as illustrated<BR>in<BR>> > the 90's film, "The Crying
> Game".<BR>> > Perhaps Rushdie has always expressed these kinds of
> opinions, but I am<BR>> > regularly troubled by his editorial views as
> of late.<BR>> > I'm curious to hear what you think.<BR>> >
> Best,<BR>> > Jaclyn<BR>> ><BR>> > November 27, 2002<BR>>
> > No More Fanaticism as Usual<BR>> > By SALMAN RUSHDIE<BR>>
> ><BR>> > t's been quite a week in the wonderful world of
> Islam.<BR>> > Nigerian Islam's encounter with that powerhouse of
> subversion, the Miss<BR>> > World contest, has been unedifying, to put
> it mildly. First some of the<BR>> > contestants had the nerve to object
> to a Shariah court's sentence that a<BR>> > Nigerian woman convicted of
> adultery be stoned to death and threatened<BR>to<BR>> > boycott the
> contest - which forced the Nigerian authorities to promise<BR>that<BR>>
> > the woman in question would not be subjected to the lethal hail
> of<BR>rocks.<BR>> > And then Isioma Daniel, a Christian Nigerian
> journalist, had the<BR>effrontery<BR>> > to suggest that if the prophet
> Muhammad were around today, he might have<BR>> > wanted to marry one of
> these swimsuit hussies himself.<BR>> > Well, obviously, that was going
> too far. True-believing Nigeri!
> an Muslims<BR>> > then set about the holy task of killing, looting and
> burning while<BR>calling<BR>> > for Ms. Daniel to be beheaded, and who
> could blame them? Not the<BR>president<BR>> > of Nigeria, who put the
> blame squarely on the shoulders of the hapless<BR>> > journalist.
> (Germaine Greer and other British-based feminists, unhappy<BR>about<BR>>
> > Miss World's decision to move the event to London, preferred to
> grouse<BR>about<BR>> > the beauty contest. The notion that the killers,
> looters and burners<BR>should<BR>> > be held accountable seems to have
> escaped notice.)<BR>> > Meanwhile, in the Islamic Republic of Iran,
> Hashem Aghajari, a person<BR>with<BR>> > impeccable Islamist credentials
> - a leg lost in battle and a rsum that<BR>> > includes being part of the
> occupying force that seized the Great Satan's<BR>> > Tehran embassy back
> in the revolution's salad days - languishes under a<BR>> > sentence of
> death imposed because he criticized the mullahs who run the<BR>> >
> country. In Iran, you don't even have to have cheeky thoughts about
> the<BR>> > prophet to be worthy of being killed. The hearts of true
> believers are<BR>> > maddened a lot more easily than that. Thousands of
> young people across<BR>the<BR>> > country were immature enough to
> protest against Mr. Aghajari's sentence,<BR>for<BR>> > which the Supreme
> Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, duly rebuked them.<BR>(More<BR>> > than
> 10,000 true believers marched through Tehran in support
> of<BR>hard-line<BR>> > Islam.)<BR>> > Meanwhile, in Egypt, a hit
> television series, "Horseman Without a<BR>Horse,"<BR>> > has been
> offering up antiSemitic programming to a huge, eager audience.<BR>That<BR>>
> > old forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - a
> document<BR>purporting<BR>> > to prove that there really is a secret
> Jewish plot to take over the<BR>world,<BR>> > and which was proved long
> ago to have been faked by Czar N!
> icholas II's<BR>> > secret police - is treated in this drama series as
> historical fact.<BR>> > Yes, this is the same Egypt in which the media
> are rigorously censored<BR>to<BR>> > prevent anything that offends the
> authorities from seeing the light of<BR>day.<BR>> > But hold on just a
> moment. Here's the series' star and co-writer,<BR>Mohammed<BR>> > Sobhi,
> telling us that what is at stake is nothing less than free speech<BR>> >
> itself, and if his lying show "terrified Zionists," well, tough.
> He'll<BR>make<BR>> > more programs in the same vein. Now there's a gutsy
> guy.<BR>> > Finally, let's not forget the horrifying story of the Dutch
> Muslim<BR>woman,<BR>> > Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has had to flee the
> Netherlands because she said<BR>that<BR>> > Muslim men oppressed Muslim
> women, a vile idea that so outraged Muslim<BR>men<BR>> > that they
> issued death threats against her.<BR>> > Is it unfair to bunch all these
> different uglinesses together? Perhaps.<BR>But<BR>> > they do have
> something in common. Ayaan Hirsi Ali was accused of being<BR>"the<BR>> >
> Dutch Salman Rushdie," Mr. Aghajari of being the Iranian version,
> Isioma<BR>> > Daniel of being the Nigerian incarnation of the same
> demon.<BR>> > A couple of months ago I said that I detested the
> sloganization of my<BR>name<BR>> > by Islamists around the world. I'm
> beginning to rethink that position.<BR>Maybe<BR>> > it's not so bad to
> be a Rushdie among other "Rushdies." For the most<BR>part<BR>> > I'm
> comfortable with, and often even proud of, the company I'm in.<BR>> >
> Where, after all, is the Muslim outrage at these events? As
> their<BR>ancient,<BR>> > deeply civilized culture of love, art and
> philosophical reflection is<BR>> > hijacked by paranoiacs, racists,
> liars, male supremacists, tyrants,<BR>fanatics<BR>> > and violence
> junkies, why are they not screaming?<BR>> > At least in Iran the
> students are demonstrating. But wher!
> e else in the<BR>> > Muslim world can one hear the voices of the
> fair-minded, tolerant Muslim<BR>> > majority deploring what Nigerian,
> Egyptian, Arab and Dutch Muslims are<BR>> > doing? Muslims in the West,
> too, seem unnaturally silent on these<BR>topics. If<BR>> > you're
> yelling, we can't hear you.<BR>> > If the moderate voices of Islam
> cannot or will not insist on the<BR>> > modernization of their culture -
> and of their faith as well - then it<BR>may be<BR>> > these so-called
> "Rushdies" who have to do it for them. For every such<BR>> > individual
> who is vilified and oppressed, two more, ten more, a thousand<BR>> >
> more will spring up. They will spring up because you can't keep
> people's<BR>> > minds, feelings and needs in jail forever, no matter how
> brutal your<BR>> > inquisitions. The Islamic world today is being held
> prisoner, not by<BR>Western<BR>> > but by Islamic captors, who are
> fighting to keep closed a world that a<BR>badly<BR>> > outnumbered few
> are trying to open. As long as the majority remains<BR>silent,<BR>> >
> this will be a tough war to win. But in the end, or so we must
> hope,<BR>someone<BR>> > will kick down that prison door.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > Salman Rushdie is author, most recently, of "Step Across
> This Line."<BR>> ><BR>> > Copyright The New York Times Company |
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