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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:30:51 -0500 (EST)
From: deleuze oedipus rimbaud <rimbaudboyo-AT-yahoo.ca>
Subject: Sto P MaKIng Sense and Stop Wasting Time


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The war in Iraq is terrible., Stop feeling bad and do something
all of you whiners.
Peace
 Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon <jaclynr-AT-free.fr> wrote:Yey, Yey... that's finally what I was hoping for. Bravo poco friends!

I just wanted some reiteration of my gut reactions about Rushdie's
politics - media based - as opposed to his literature - that is well known
but not as widely read as the NYT, of course. Yes, yes, Rushdie is a "media
whore" and I really just wanted to hear it from someone else besides my
hysterical inner voice that screams "blasphemy". (and I use that term
loooooosely)

And yes, yes, we should just let it go (on a certain level) because his
literature speaks for itself. We should keep reading or not reading his
books according to our desire. And I should stop looking for "guidance" and
"information" (and I use those terms looosely, as well) when reading
editorials by writers I hold in high esteem. But that is MY error (mea
culpa), I'm still very naive and gullible in spite of my *experience* and I
still look for pearls of wisdom dropping from the mouths of those who
possess the "gift". (You can laugh but I've probably the profile of a
perfect cult recruitee - but knowing it doesn't save me from my "blindness")

Anyway, I digress, and that now brings us to the next step of the argument
in socio-cultural terms and not necessarily geopolitical ones. How did
Rushdie get here from there? Or rather how does his literary writing escape
the the demagogic nature of his "editorial" writing. It is the cleavage
between the two that becomes interesting.

And as Mona so deftly stated <religions and scared and
apologetic when he is afraid (check Imaginary Homelands).>>
And then asks: <>

Excellent question, excellent question! "a treasoness cosmo whore" or "a
free spirituous fleeing saint" (how to mix the two together and without
becoming a viscous serpent sucking on its tail?)... But perhaps the list is
tired of this and would like to get onto other things. I will ponder Mona's
question out here in the desert and if anyone wants to continue on or off
list, I'm all eyes and mind.

Best,
Jaclyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maldoror" 
To: 

Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: salon interview & rushdie


> > It does not matter that Rushdie is a
> > member of the Muslim community
>
> he's not a member. he's a professed athiest.
>
> > A man can be a woman,
>
> really? and how might that occur? do tell.
>
> > State and Church remain
> > seperate and that is the choice of secular
> > societies.
>
> not in the US.
>
> > it (satanic verses) mocks the pompousness of dogma
>
> i'll give you that.
>
> > So why can't
> > Rushdie be a Muslim, because you say so?
>
> hmmm... could it be because he's an athiest which by
> definition believes in no supreme being, whereas a
> muslim believes in god. logic anyone?
>
> > I support a hip atheistic Islam
>
> yeah the one where one minute god exists and the next
> it doesn't. that's hip i suppose... in a delusional,
> drug-induced sort of way.
>
> > all the rest of that crap about
> > cutting peoples heads off like they do in Saudi
> > Arabia and like they also do in Iraq.
>
> it's funny how ppl say that death penalties are brutal
> in arab nations but yet never mention the brutality of
> the electric chair or lethal injection in the US. it's
> as though it's okay in the mighty 'first world' but if
> the state mandated murder is enforced in the arab
> world whoa, 'stop the presses those nasty arabs
> massacred another one.' your language betrays the
> bigot in you.
>
> > Let the wonders
> > of a world weak with its own hates and resentments
> > give rebirth to itself and let itself and others be.
> > To let be and let go.
>
> as though the 'first world' doesn't harbor hate. you
> know if you're going to condemn an act don't limit it
> to the 'third world.' that was rushdie's problem in my
> eyes. while i support his denounciation of the crime
> in nigeria, where was his harsh criticism when king
> george denied a death sentence appeal to a retarded
> man in texas and promptly sent him the the execution
> chamber (and that's just one example)? that's the
> problem with these ppl in the media (here it's
> rushdie) is that they say 'look how bad nigeria is'
> while they sing the praises of the US like the good
> little media whores that they are, ignoring all the
> while the mounting injustices in their own countries.
> the one-sidedness is the problem, and you, eldorra,
> just seem to be advancing this notion all over again.
>
> > Greetings ! I am a Buddhist !
> > I came to share a Light!!
>
> no one cares.
>
> you know i really missed your ethereal ramblings on
> the list. it's nice to know you'll be bringing back
> the entertainment value here.
>
> gr3g
>
> ====>
> 'every government is a dictatorship. every leader, a tyrant.' -anonymous
>
>
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The war in Iraq is terrible., Stop feeling bad and do something

all of you whiners.

Peace

 Jaclyn Rosebrook-Collignon <jaclynr-AT-free.fr> wrote:

Yey, Yey... that's finally what I was hoping for. Bravo poco friends!

I just wanted some reiteration of my gut reactions about Rushdie's
politics - media based - as opposed to his literature - that is well known
but not as widely read as the NYT, of course. Yes, yes, Rushdie is a "media
whore" and I really just wanted to hear it from someone else besides my
hysterical inner voice that screams "blasphemy". (and I use that term
loooooosely)

And yes, yes, we should just let it go (on a certain level) because his
literature speaks for itself. We should keep reading or not reading his
books according to our desire. And I should stop looking for "guidance" and
"information" (and I use those terms looosely, as well) when reading
editorials by writers I hold in high esteem. But that is MY error (mea
culpa), I'm still very naive and gullible in spite of my *experience* and I
still look for pearls of wisdom dropping from the mouths of those who
possess the "gift". (You can laugh but I've probably the profile of a
perfect cult recruitee - but knowing it doesn't save me from my "blindness")

Anyway, I digress, and that now brings us to the next step of the argument
in socio-cultural terms and not necessarily geopolitical ones. How did
Rushdie get here from there? Or rather how does his literary writing escape
the the demagogic nature of his "editorial" writing. It is the cleavage
between the two that becomes interesting.

And as Mona so deftly stated <religions and scared and
apologetic when he is afraid (check Imaginary Homelands).>>
And then asks: <>

Excellent question, excellent question! "a treasoness cosmo whore" or "a
free spirituous fleeing saint" (how to mix the two together and without
becoming a viscous serpent sucking on its tail?)... But perhaps the list is
tired of this and would like to get onto other things. I will ponder Mona's
question out here in the desert and if anyone wants to continue on or off
list, I'm all eyes and mind.

Best,
Jaclyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maldoror"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: salon interview & rushdie


> > It does not matter that Rushdie is a
> > member of the Muslim community
>
> he's not a member. he's a professed athiest.
>
> > A man can be a woman,
>
> really? and how might that occur? do tell.
>
> > State and Church remain
> > seperate and that is the choice of secular
> > societies.
>
> not in the US.
>
> > it (satanic verses) mocks the pompousness of dogma
>
> i'll give you that.
>
> > So why can't
> > Rushdie be a Muslim, because you say so?
>
> hmmm... could it be because he's an athiest which by
> definition believes in no supreme being, whereas a
> muslim believes in god. logic anyone?
>
> > I support a hip atheistic Islam
>
> yeah the one where one minute god exists and the next
> it doesn't. that's hip i suppose... in a delusional,
> drug-induced sort of way.
>
> > all the rest of that crap about
> > cutting peoples heads off like they do in Saudi
> > Arabia and like they also do in Iraq.
>
> it's funny how ppl say that death penalties are brutal
> in arab nations but yet never mention the brutality of
> the electric chair or lethal injection in the US. it's
> as though it's okay in the mighty 'first world' but if
> the state mandated murder is enforced in the arab
> world whoa, 'stop the presses those nasty arabs
> massacred another one.' your language betrays the
> bigot in you.
>
> > Let the wonders
> > of a world weak with its own hates and resentments
> > give rebirth to itself and let itself and others be.
> > To let be and let go.
>
> as though the 'first world' doesn't harbor hate. you
> know if you're going to condemn an act don't limit it
> to the 'third world.' that was rushdie's problem in my
> eyes. while i support his denounciation of the crime
> in nigeria, where was his harsh criticism when king
> george denied a death sentence appeal to a retarded
> man in texas and promptly sent him the the execution
> chamber (and that's just one example)? that's the
> problem with these ppl in the media (here it's
> rushdie) is that they say 'look how bad nigeria is'
> while they sing the praises of the US like the good
> little media whores that they are, ignoring all the
> while the mounting injustices in their own countries.
> the one-sidedness is the problem, and you, eldorra,
> just seem to be advancing this notion all over again.
>
> > Greetings ! I am a Buddhist !
> > I came to share a Light!!
>
> no one cares.
>
> you know i really missed your ethereal ramblings on
> the list. it's nice to know you'll be bringing back
> the entertainment value here.
>
> gr3g
>
> =====
>
> 'every government is a dictatorship. every leader, a tyrant.' -anonymous
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> http://mailplus.yahoo.com
>
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