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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:15:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Marwan Dalal <dmarwan-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'


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it will never stop amazing me how self declared intelligent people speak of "saddam" and about "saddam". let me be clear, simple, and bushy: you are either with this invasion or against it. no need to be radical, left or right, to conclude this. even thomas friedman is expressing doubts about this war. 

but even if "we" insist on being lovely liberals, without protesting, and want to speak about the "regime", does that include the ministries of education, agriculture, commerce, and their employees?  is a hard working governmental iraqi employee doomed to be b-52ed and f-16ed just because its the only job he or she could find in iraq's "closed market" or just because that was his or her choice ? 

i remind you that not long time ago the main agenda concerning iraq internationally was the need to end the horrific sanctions, imposed by the same "liberators" of today, not regime change, certainly not by those who helped creating it. 

marwan 

p.s.: if i don't answer to marc hall's expected comments, that means he is right...  


    

 Ly Chong Thong Jalao <lcj11-AT-csufresno.edu> wrote: You write as though there were only two clear sides: the Americans and
the Iraqis. As though the Iraqi military and the U.S. military were two
distinctive "moral" blocks. As though Saddam cared about the Iraqi
civilians who were killed by that missile--beyond their usefulness as
propagandistic "collateral damage." As though the American military
machine (or should we say, the "coalition forces") cared one bit about
its own troops being killed in action--beyond the damaging political
effects that their dead bodies might have back home. As though the
wounded black woman who was captured by Iraqi soldiers will return (if
at all) home to a society in which President Dubbya's interests and hers
align in the perfect symmetry of "United We Stand," when in fact divided
she might die while he and his family, for instance, will not and
instead will prosper from the war.

The only "moral ramification" worth thinking through is that of those
dead civilians who were caught in a nightmare not of their own making,
in a world in which the word "morality" has become the murderers'
weapon, and in a discourse saturated with obscene technicalities.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
> [mailto:owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:59 PM
> To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject: Re: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'
> 
> 
> 
> But what is the moral ramification if GPS jamming is being used.
> 
> Who is to be blamed for collateral damage? 
> Answer that. 
> 
> Best, MEH
> On 3/27/2003, "harleen singh" wrote:
> 
> >You must be kidding!!! You're actually entertaining blaming 
> the Iraqis
> and
> >the Russians because the missile the Iraqis "supposedly" jammed with 
> >equipment they "supposedly" got from the Russians goes astray? Would 
> >you please look your convoluted logic in the eye?
> >
> >Someone shoots at you, and you duck--the bullet hits an innocent 
> >bystander--And this is your fault?...........
> >
> >>
> >>Hmm, but what if the accusations are true that the Iraqis are using
> Russian
> >>supplied GPS jamming devices? Who is responsible then if the missle
> goes
> >>astray because it has its navigation jammed???
> >>
> >>Best, MEH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Mark Hall
> >>markhall-AT-gol.com
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it will never stop amazing me how self declared intelligent people speak of "saddam" and about "saddam". let me be clear, simple, and bushy: you are either with this invasion or against it. no need to be radical, left or right, to conclude this. even thomas friedman is expressing doubts about this war.

but even if "we" insist on being lovely liberals, without protesting, and want to speak about the "regime", does that include the ministries of education, agriculture, commerce, and their employees?  is a hard working governmental iraqi employee doomed to be b-52ed and f-16ed just because its the only job he or she could find in iraq's "closed market" or just because that was his or her choice ?

i remind you that not long time ago the main agenda concerning iraq internationally was the need to end the horrific sanctions, imposed by the same "liberators" of today, not regime change, certainly not by those who helped creating it.

marwan

p.s.: if i don't answer to marc hall's expected comments, that means he is right... 

   

 Ly Chong Thong Jalao <lcj11-AT-csufresno.edu> wrote:

You write as though there were only two clear sides: the Americans and
the Iraqis. As though the Iraqi military and the U.S. military were two
distinctive "moral" blocks. As though Saddam cared about the Iraqi
civilians who were killed by that missile--beyond their usefulness as
propagandistic "collateral damage." As though the American military
machine (or should we say, the "coalition forces") cared one bit about
its own troops being killed in action--beyond the damaging political
effects that their dead bodies might have back home. As though the
wounded black woman who was captured by Iraqi soldiers will return (if
at all) home to a society in which President Dubbya's interests and hers
align in the perfect symmetry of "United We Stand," when in fact divided
she might die while he and his family, for instance, will not and
instead will prosper from the war.

The only "moral ramification" worth thinking through is that of those
dead civilians who were caught in a nightmare not of their own making,
in a world in which the word "morality" has become the murderers'
weapon, and in a discourse saturated with obscene technicalities.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> [mailto:owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On
> Behalf Of Mark Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:59 PM
> To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject: Re: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'
>
>
>
> But what is the moral ramification if GPS jamming is being used.
>
> Who is to be blamed for collateral damage?
> Answer that.
>
> Best, MEH
> On 3/27/2003, "harleen singh" wrote:
>
> >You must be kidding!!! You're actually entertaining blaming
> the Iraqis
> and
> >the Russians because the missile the Iraqis "supposedly" jammed with
> >equipment they "supposedly" got from the Russians goes astray? Would
> >you please look your convoluted logic in the eye?
> >
> >Someone shoots at you, and you duck--the bullet hits an innocent
> >bystander--And this is your fault?...........
> >
> >>
> >>Hmm, but what if the accusations are true that the Iraqis are using
> Russian
> >>supplied GPS jamming devices? Who is responsible then if the missle
> goes
> >>astray because it has its navigation jammed???
> >>
> >>Best, MEH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Mark Hall
> >>markhall-AT-gol.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
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> >
>
> Mark Hall
> markhall-AT-gol.com
>
>
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>




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