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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:20:37 +1200
From: Margaret Trawick <trawick-AT-clear.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'


Ly Chong Thong Jalao is right.  Both sides are blaming each other, and both
sides are trying to drag us into their propaganda war, and to a certain
extent they both have succeeded. If we must draw lines, let us draw them
differently from how we are told.  George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein, with
their respective cronies, are on the same side. Everyone who enjoys this
spectacle is on that same side. Pretty much the whole rest of the world is
on the other side. There, I have drawn a line.  The war itself is an outrage
and an obscenity, and bickering over who is to blame for what incident is
yet another obscenity, with a self-satisfied smirk on its face.

Margaret Trawick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ly Chong Thong Jalao" <lcj11-AT-csufresno.edu>
To: <postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'


> You write as though there were only two clear sides: the Americans and
> the Iraqis. As though the Iraqi military and the U.S. military were two
> distinctive "moral" blocks. As though Saddam cared about the Iraqi
> civilians who were killed by that missile--beyond their usefulness as
> propagandistic "collateral damage." As though the American military
> machine (or should we say, the "coalition forces") cared one bit about
> its own troops being killed in action--beyond the damaging political
> effects that their dead bodies might have back home. As though the
> wounded black woman who was captured by Iraqi soldiers will return (if
> at all) home to a society in which President Dubbya's interests and hers
> align in the perfect symmetry of "United We Stand," when in fact divided
> she might die while he and his family, for instance, will not and
> instead will prosper from the war.
>
> The only "moral ramification" worth thinking through is that of those
> dead civilians who were caught in a nightmare not of their own making,
> in a world in which the word "morality" has become the murderers'
> weapon, and in a discourse saturated with obscene technicalities.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > [mailto:owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Hall
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:59 PM
> > To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > Subject: Re: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'
> >
> >
> >
> > But what is the moral ramification if GPS jamming is being used.
> >
> > Who is to be blamed for collateral damage?
> > Answer that.
> >
> > Best, MEH
> > On 3/27/2003, "harleen singh" <motisingh-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You must be kidding!!!  You're actually entertaining blaming
> > the Iraqis
> > and
> > >the Russians because the missile the Iraqis "supposedly" jammed with
> > >equipment they "supposedly" got from the Russians goes astray? Would
> > >you please look your convoluted logic in the eye?
> > >
> > >Someone shoots at you, and you duck--the bullet hits an innocent
> > >bystander--And this is your fault?...........
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Hmm, but what if the accusations are true that the Iraqis are using
> > Russian
> > >>supplied GPS jamming devices?  Who is responsible then if the missle
> > goes
> > >>astray because it has its navigation jammed???
> > >>
> > >>Best, MEH
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Mark Hall
> > >>markhall-AT-gol.com
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> > Mark Hall
> > markhall-AT-gol.com
> >
> >
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