From: "Debra Lundberg" <dllund1-AT-pop.uky.edu> Subject: RE: howard zenn Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:47:13 -0500 http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-02/27zinn.cfm And here's the February 27th article titled "War". Debra L. Lundberg UK Computer Store 128 Peterson Service Bldg. lexington, KY 40506-0005 859-257-9292x267 859-323-1964 fax -----Original Message----- From: owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu [mailto:owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of Jamil Khader Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:56 AM To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Subject: howard zenn does any body have a link to howard zenn's article on the war? Thanks Jamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Lundberg" <dllund1-AT-pop.uky.edu> To: <postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'(II) > A good book to refer to at this time is Howard Zinn's "On War" in which > he examines the "just war" argument. As an American historian he's > mostly concerned with US history, nevertheless, it's a slim tome and can > help one frame peace or anti-war arguments that are understandable by > different folk in different positions. Peace, like democracy, cannot be > imposed. They can only be achieved through dialogue and consensus. > > Debra L. Lundberg > UK Computer Store > 128 Peterson Service Bldg. > lexington, KY 40506-0005 > 859-257-9292x267 > 859-323-1964 fax > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > [mailto:owner-postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of Liam > Connell > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:52 AM > To: postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > Subject: Re: Robert Fisk: 'It was an outrage, an obscenity'(II) > > Mark > > The BBC reported this morning that Donald Rumsfeld is considering using > "non lethal" chemical weapons should forces be drawn into street > fighting. The rationale here is that this will cause less loss of life > than bombing or weapons' fire. This is in contravention of the > International Conventions on the use of chemical weapons to which the US > > remains a signatory by the way. > > Leaving aside the problematic issue of whether these chemical really are > > non lethal (see the civilian deaths in the Moscow Theatre) the same > logic > could be advanced for the use of lethal chemical weapons. Less people > will > die if the Iraqi or US army is wiped out using a deliberately fatal > chemical attack. > > What's the point here? It is certainly not to say that the Iraqi regime > > (as opposed to the Iraqis - I think this is an important distinction for > > the reasons that Ly raises in another post - and it is troubling how > quickly we slip into the cultures of nationalism at times like this) are > > following the rule of law. But it is important to remember that neither > > are the US or UK governments/armed forces. We might point out that the > legal case for this war is at best not proven. In addition the Geneva > convention is being breached on both sides of this conflict. > > The point is that war is not a moral activity whether legally pursued or > > (as in this case) not. > > If you don't believe that the US administration is imperialist perhaps > you > should check out the reports of the Independent Strategy, a financial > research company for institutional investors, who are describing it in > these terms within the large (and presumably right wing) financial > institutions. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,922217,00.html > > or better still the project for the New American Century, founded by the > > likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush and Wolfowitz. > > http://www.newamericancentury.org/ > > This ain't conspiracy theory: they said it. > > I campaigned about human rights abuses in Iraq well before 1991 but the > way > to get rid of tyrants like Saddam Hussein is to make it clear that > abuses > of human rights will be punished by international law. That means > putting > people like Pinochet and Sharon on trial, as well as Kissinger for > abuses > up and down Latin and Central America and Southern Asia,and Rumsfeld for > > the abuse of human rights in Guantanamo Bay. Pity the US regime values > its > sovereignty above such a lofty aim. > > Apportioning blame for every single incident in the war doesn't seem to > me > to be a helpful or profitable use of our time while the broader moral > issues are so clearly being subverted by US hegemony. > > Liam > > > At 05:09 27/03/03 +0000, you wrote: > > > >And I guess next I'll be told the Iraqis are following the rule of war > too > >and this is just a figment of the right wing/imperial imagination... > > > >http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N26193183.htm > > > >http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/2003/03/26/rtr920518.html > > > >And then there is the issue of when a white flag isn't a white flag... > > > >http://www.katu.com/news/war_story.asp?ID=55842 > > > >Later, MEH > > > >Mark Hall > >markhall-AT-gol.com > > > > > > --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > _________________________________ > > Dr Liam Connell > Department of Humanities > University of Hertfordshire > Wall Hall > Watford Campus > Aldenham > WD25 8AT > > > > --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list postcolonial-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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