Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:59 +0000 From: Jay_Craig-AT-BAYLOR.EDU Subject: Re: Short Cuts in Crisis... >It could be, however, that _liking_ the film is a prerequisite >for talking about it on that level. Do you think that's the case? >I am not sure that Deleuzian tools are of any use in talking about a film >that one believes is just poorly put together. Certainly passion for a film can spur good thinking. I think that's what drove Bazin, and I see it at times in Deleuze. I'm not sure if passion against a film can lead to good thinking. However, what I think is undeniable rests in the observation that *most* passion, for or against a film (or public policy, or painter, or religious denomination, etc.), results in little thinking--at least little *honest* thinking. Most readers will walk away from C1 & C2 with, more or less, the same taste in films they originally had. In fact, they might even use Deleuze to strengthen their justification for liking a film or genre of films. They might use Deleuze to trivialize or condemn the films they don't like. I have no problem with that. If we use Deleuze as a sword--as a legitimation device--we're not really thinking with him, though. I may believe "2+2=4". I may agree with Bertrand Russell that "2+2=4". But just because we agree on that doesn't mean we agree for the same reasons, or even that I'm *aware* of his reasons. I may believe the statement on the authority of my elementary school teachers. He may believe it because of an elaborate schema of sets, classes, and numbers which leads to that conclusion. For me to understand him, though, I need to see how all of this is playing out for him--why he believes 2+2=4. I may find that his reasons for believing it are just as whimsical or abritrary or commen-sensical as my own. The point is not coming to the "Truth," though. The point is to productively enter in dialogue with someone, working towards a provisional understanding (not necessarily "agreement"). I know what films I like. The set of films I like seems to coincide nicely (for the most part) with those that Deleuze likes. That isn't enough, though. I still have to figure out the elaborate system of symbols, strategies, and operations which lead him to his conclusions. Not so I can "refute" him or adopt him, but so that I can see what he's saying and why. In discussing "Short Cuts," we have a bit of a political crisis. Several people are confronted with a conflict of authority. On one hand, Deleuze seems to assert (and even argue) that Altman is something of a Johnny-One-Note, who has never really gotten beyond his cynicism. On the other hand, we're talking about ALTMAN, here; and there's a profound reverence for Altman. In this discussion it seems that most are siding with Altman's greatness rather than Deleuze's statements. No problem. If Deleuze decided to pick on Sergio Leone, I'd side with the latter in a heartbeat. The problem, though, is nothing productive is being done from there. An aspiring Marxist can say "Short Cuts" is a great film because it embodies certain frustrations and alientations inherent in the capitalist stage of a class struggle. An amateur Derridean will talk about characters who are not present, and about how Altman is deconstructing this or that, causing ruptures here and there. Great. Fine. But I think we can agree that Altman isn't a Marxist. He isn't a Derridean. He probably has never heard of Deleuze. So what happened? How did he make a film which is susceptible to a particular reading? That's all I'm asking. We can listen to what Deleuze says about Altman, ask questions of ourselves and each other, and then ask questions of Deleuze. That's what I think a "Deleuzian" discussion of Altman would be. Not some rigorous, orthodox application of a set of rules to any-film-whatever, but rather a discussion with Deleuze (even with Altman, if people are willing to take the time and responsibility). I'd even be willing to leave Deleuze out of the picture altogether, if it will allow people to think about the film. However, up to this point (and I'm partly to blame, I know), all I've seen is hanging assertions about how great Altman is, and equally unsupported censures for even suggesting Altman might have made a film which is anything less than "great." I apologize for any complicity I may have in reducing the discussion to that level, and also to anyone I may have offended personally. I'm open to any recommendations. Thanks for being patient with me. JSC --- from list seminar-10-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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