File spoon-archives/seminar-14.archive/marx-bhaskar_2001/seminar-14.0101, message 25


Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:50:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Victor Rosado <skygoya-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Dr, Da, De


Dear Seminar:

>" Is this proof convincing?"

As written in the intro., the proof is interesting but
not very elaborated.  I am sure he develops his
argument further in his book.


> In an experiment we must conceive of the scientist
as
> responsible for the chain of events in the
experiment, but
> not for the law or structure that he infers.


I know what he MEANS but it doesn't make it easy to
EXPLAIN....but i'll try:

I, a scientist, will isolate certain aspects of
reality/nature in order to understand it better.  The
way I arrange  the experiment and thus the causal
order of the results  may depend on me.  The
conditions of this 'isolated' experiment depend upon
how i realize/actualize the experiment.  

The results of the experiment, however, are  not
determined by me and, let's say, my will.   I may have
made (organized, set up, arranged, etc) an experiment
to yield certain results that may be repeated again in
further experiments, but MY WILL does not cause the
results  to actually "happen"/"take place."  I may
organize an experiment to yield certain results that i
know will occur or i may report false data, etc, but I
don't really cause the results to come about, although
I may (only) manipulate nature or reality to yield
certain results that I may desire, based on my
understanding of  how nature works.   
The causal laws underlying nature are what make it all
happen, not me.  I am not a god, a master and 
and causer of nature, but a manipulater of nature (a
human being).    
Humans are also causal agents (of certain spheres of
reality), but not of the causal laws of the universe. 
 

what do you guys think?  Can someone explain what
mechanisms, events, experience mean (and how they are
distinct), with some examples? 

-Victor  


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