Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Victor Rosado <skygoya-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Dr, Da, De Dear Seminar: >" Is this proof convincing?" As written in the intro., the proof is interesting but not very elaborated. I am sure he develops his argument further in his book. > In an experiment we must conceive of the scientist as > responsible for the chain of events in the experiment, but > not for the law or structure that he infers. I know what he MEANS but it doesn't make it easy to EXPLAIN....but i'll try: I, a scientist, will isolate certain aspects of reality/nature in order to understand it better. The way I arrange the experiment and thus the causal order of the results may depend on me. The conditions of this 'isolated' experiment depend upon how i realize/actualize the experiment. The results of the experiment, however, are not determined by me and, let's say, my will. I may have made (organized, set up, arranged, etc) an experiment to yield certain results that may be repeated again in further experiments, but MY WILL does not cause the results to actually "happen"/"take place." I may organize an experiment to yield certain results that i know will occur or i may report false data, etc, but I don't really cause the results to come about, although I may (only) manipulate nature or reality to yield certain results that I may desire, based on my understanding of how nature works. The causal laws underlying nature are what make it all happen, not me. I am not a god, a master and and causer of nature, but a manipulater of nature (a human being). Humans are also causal agents (of certain spheres of reality), but not of the causal laws of the universe. what do you guys think? Can someone explain what mechanisms, events, experience mean (and how they are distinct), with some examples? -Victor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- from list seminar-14-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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