Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:35:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Victor Rosado <skygoya-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Emergence


Dear Seminar:

I think i was wrong on my last post about the
individual-society relationship.  I am not an expert
on what Bhaskar says, but this is what he says in a
moment in PON Chapter 2:
"The model of the society/ person connection I am
proposing could be summarized as follows: people do
not create society.  For it always pre-exists them and
is a necessary condition for their activity.  Rather,
society must be regarded as an ensemble of structures,
practices and conventions which reproduce or
transform, but which would not exist unless they did
so."

This is an interesting topic.  Can someone help me
out?  We are probably going to discuss this later
anyway.


-Victor





--- Victor Rosado <skygoya-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ruth,
> 
> this is interesting too:
> 
> "In the social production of their life, men enter
> into definite relations that are independent of
> their
> will, relations of production which correspond to a
> definite stage of development of their material
> poroductive forces"  Marx, A Contibution to the
> Critique of of Political Economy.
> 
> From this we would conclude that individuals are
> emergent from society.  What would Bhaskar say?
> 
> I remember seeing a diagram somewhere where there
> was
> a individuals-society-individuals-society .... 
> dialectic going on.  Perhaps at the beginning of
> humanity there were just individuals and from them
> emerged society, from which other individuals
> emerged,
> which created and new society, from which new
> individuals emerged... etc.
> 
> This is one of those chicken or the egg questions. 
> What I like about the diagram is that it shows the
> importance of the dynamic between society and
> individuals.  I also think it suggests that it is a
> changing and constantly developing dialectic.
> 
> -Victor
> 
> 
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