File spoon-archives/surrealist.archive/surrealist_1996/96-09-03.184, message 24


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:15:33 +1000
From: lpellen-AT-enternet.com.au (Luke Pellen)
Subject: Re: Revolting 


Hi Celine, how are things?...


Frank writes [in response to Celine]:
>>How can you judge without any rules? Any judgment assumes some
>>set of rules, you 
>>may or may not want to call these laws, but they have to exist, 

Celine replies:
>No, I don't agree with this. I believe that there can be personal
>judgement that assumes nothing, no laws, no rules. One must take
>this statement step by step, one thing follows the other. What I
>am suggesting is a progression. I am not even saying that this is
>even possible in the real world, as we know it. This is pure
>investigation, freed from all reality.
>
>So we start at the point where there are no moral or ethical
>codes, period. Complete freedom. An entirely new ballpark, new
>world. You have a population of people who are thinking purely of
>their true desires, unfettered, unperverted, undeformed. Each one
>judges their own actions and does this splendidly, accurately. Do
>you not think the human race can do this? Do you not think you
>can do this? 

I just thought I'd contribute my thoughts by cutting and pasting a couple of
paragraphs I wrote when I replied to a recent post by Barrett; I think they
are appropriate here and seem to correspond with Celine's thoughts [yes
Celine?]:

The ideal system of ethics is one which takes into account the EXACT nature
of every single situation. So, there may be grounds for rejecting ALL
ethical and moral systems - precisely because they are neat, compact,
oversimplified "systems" and therefore must be ultimately inadequate in this
respect - and adopting an amoral system of ethics.

This system would be amoral in the sense that it would be a result of
spontaneious decision, something which has it's origin in the unconscious,
and so has no moral intention. If we simply react to a situation in an
intuitive way which "feels right",  then that is enough. Over time, through
a psychological feedback process involving the creation, unconscious
evaluation and modification of certain spontaneious ethical decisions, we
would create and maintain an unconscious, automatic "ethical module".


Luke.
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