File spoon-archives/surrealist.archive/surrealist_1996/96-09-03.184, message 37


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:13:07 -0700
From: biomorph-AT-ix.netcom.com (Wm. Dubin)
Subject: Re: Revolting  


Hi Frank,

Thanks for the reply. Of course I am (painfully) aware that the rest of 
the world tends to be far more liberal concerning the body than america 
(or, perhaps given recent events, I should say the North American 
continent. And, yes, we must write from within our cultural 
restrictions, but our IMAGINATIONS are not bound by these... NOR, 
within the limits of our ability to SEEK THEM OUT, are we bound outside 
of under-ground societys.

My point with SM, was to take it way further. I'm well aware of the 
consential position, but for my way of thinking, this REDUCES SM to a 
bourgeouis spectual for bored housewives... its so PATHETICALLY 
middle-class.

I'm thinking more, on the level of a guy who I exhibited with a few 
years ago. He found people to  tie him up, hang him from hooks in his 
ceiling, and use various knives on him. There was NO consent as far as 
limitations went... if the Sadist partner wished to amputate, he/she 
was free to do so. Even death, as such, was only up to the one partner. 


Now, its true this guy consented to this happening, but he was the 
first to tell you how quickly he would demand it be stopped, and of 
course, this was no longer up to him.

While I'm not privy to it, the San Francisco Lesbian scene evidentally 
(I have been told) has moments where things go "out of hand", and 
people find themselves way over their heads. THIS, then, is simply not 
consential.

I don't know for certain, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised 
that MANY states in america have far far more than oral sex as being 
against the law.

On Sade... I find him nearly impossible to read, sufferring through his 
long-winded discourses, but at the end, I find the IDEA of Sade... the 
thing he connotates, to be the very liberation of desire you request.

However, if my desire were to be totally liberated, and I feel thisw is 
a great deal of what Celine was calling for, then there are simply no 
restrictions... its a 100 per-cent open book (as is, of course, yours).

There have been, recently, two excellent women writers (in the 
sci-fi/horror arena)... BOTH names escape me, but Michael Betancourt 
can supply them. Both have written in blood. Like Celine, they envision 
non-restrictive universes.

Wm.


   

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