From: Celinec-AT-aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:42:35 -0400
Subject: the purpose of excrement


Frank:

>Hi William,

>I'm not at all happy with your statement:

>>And so, lets take murder to its next step...AN ART FORM...
>>forget the 
>>>John Wayne Gacye's and Jeffery Daumers, how about Giles De
>>Rays... lets 
>>>get REAL!

>Walter Benjamin had a very fitting term for fascism: turning
>politics into 
>aesthetics. If this is so, is Auschwitz then a great work of
>art?

>Believe me, I'm not against violence, but only violence without
>a purpose.

May I just interject here for your amusement. Everything is
without purpose, everything is with purpose.

> I can 
>imagine no prettier sight than a burning pope, or a crucified
>general, and like 
>Bakunin I can't wait to see "the last priest hanged with the
>entrails of the 
>last banker". But all of this is for the purpose of revolution,
>not pleasure 
>(Ok, OK, for the pleasure of revolution, then). 

>If I wanted to kill for pleasure I would have become a cop or
>joined the army.

>Turning murder into an art form is turning restrictions on
>liberty into an art 
>form, and I am completely against that.

>(On the subject: by the way have you heard David Bowie's latest
>record, it is 
>precisely about art as murder, and quite interesting.....)

>Do you have any concrete ideas about how to go about turning
>murder into art, 
>and avoiding these obvious pitfalls on the way? How would you
>avoid playing the 
>power-game?

>And will you be able to do something Hollywood doesn't already
>do?

>Frank


Again, to understand what Wm. is getting at here it is
neccessary to suspend one's way of thinking in the normal world.

I think it was Michael B. who made an important remark about how
these conversations had turned into discussing the possible
results of these methods rather than entering into pure
Surrealist investigations.  (Sorry, I do not put this as well as
he did).  All these investigations must be taken without an idea
of where we will land up, or what we will end up being. This is
the only way we will create something absolutely new.  

Unfortunately I have other obligations this morning, but I will
try to get back to this later and perhaps try to present my
second metaphysical premise which deals directly with these ideas of death
and murder and so forth.

Celine