Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:34:28 GMT From: anacmar-AT-mail.telepac.pt (Carlos Martins) Subject: Re: Re[2]: (Fwd) Child XXX - think other media as well i totally agree with what Jean Jacques suggested as a good way to express a surrealist position about the matter. >From my side i will sign a sinthesis that make clear the political side of the question and not only poetical or just hidden behind a game. If there is an histeria around the matter makes no sense we as surrealists just define our position poetically concerning a matter that is fondamentally social and political. I personally have no doubts that this have nothing to do with our principles in defense of freedom of expression and especifically the liberation of desire (and even if the frontiers between eroticism and pornography are not always so clear, we all know that we denied any forms of exploration and manipulation of the others will, on sexual or either any other matters. Child pornography and slavery deal with real people and is an imposition against the others will, totally opposed to our concept of libertation of desire and our interest by eroticism and even pornography. There isn`t any poetical thing on the fact one be promoting child pornography and by other side it`s unfortunately real that there are children raped and murdered by those hands and minds that are using "freedom of expression" to promote another moralism, a kind of moral from the "dark side" but, i insist, with many surrealists on the past, not less reactionary and dogmatic as the used by the church and different religions. Satanism and other religions, "white" or "black" were always denounced and fighted by surrealists. Why not now? As in the matter of censorship against Michael`s Betancourt`s works maybe this will show our own concept of political and poetical and as in that, some here probably (as Bill Elston and Frank from Malgosia Arkansas) will refuse to sign any track and opposed to the previous situation they even devaluate it. But no matter if they devaluate or not any track the essential of the positions of each one was shown here. I still remain thinking that confounds me as surrealist (i am not a curious or just simpathetic with surrealism) that we were almost all available to sign a track on the subject of censorship against Michael and don`t feel the same urgence and maybe more in the matter of fascist minds that has nothing to do with freedom of expression and just are promoting sexual abuse against childrens!!! Yes, i see that Pierre leaved the term of fascist but i not. I am still using it because is very evident for me, that the matter of filling your basket with publicity of child pornography is nothing to do with "freedom of expression". No matter the source (from corporations when they are promoting their products using even childrens that are aliciated with money or with those guys from the called "dark side") this is offending our minds as free citizens! As i said i am a liberatarian and i have no churches, "white" or "black". So, for me they belongs to the same bag of reactionarism and obscurantism. Pity i can`t express myself in a good enough english so, i ll have to wait for a track to sign. Some have situated this in a good point to be sign for all or almost all here (Barrett, Frank, Jean Jacques, Pierre). Even if a brief but explicit position we need to say something. carlos
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