Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:34:59 GMT From: anacmar-AT-mail.telepac.pt (Carlos Martins) Subject: Re: I thought this was a surrealist list... (1) Mr. Pierre Petiot 1-You certainly will helped me more if you stoped to send me that no sense and very psicotic postings instead of sending it to your parliament (francais). 2-As i repeatedly said, the terms you are using trying to convert me as a priest to your own thoughts ,will certainly more apropriate if addressed to the police itself (why you don`t answer specifically to my questions, ex: please give me just one paper at least so agressive as you sent to me, to the power itself. Well, now you can excuse to do it saying easily that you think the power is here on this list, so, why to answer to those simple questions i posted to you, isn`t it?) 3-Please stop playing the role of pretentiousism "ex-catedra" you are also using with me. One thing you may help me is of course with the use of best apropriate words and terms, but please stop to learn me about what are the surrealist principles and propostions about the matter of eroticism. You have your own way of understand surrealism about that but your words sounds like an attempt of conversion (like the priests did). 4-Maybe due you are not "compelled at all to have an opinion on everything the mass media are summoning have one" you lost certainly many things like for example to know what they are writing about. From my side i don`t think i am the one in this fighting against mediocrity (as you told may leftist groups are doing the same) so, why to think we don`t need to be more informed about, for example the reasons of fighting of islamic fundamentalists? Or you think what is right for IRA is not right for islamic fundamentalism? What i meant was, despite they are failing the target (as you with me) because they are killing innocent people, they are fighting the american (capitalist) intervention on the arab countries, their countries. For most of us, living here with some commodity (not me because i live very bad in a old house fully of flees and any month i have to take money from the basic needs to improve my Internet and multimedia equipment) we tend to forget that most of this commodity is due the fact those countries are permanently explored or even stolen. Beyond the religious concern (the most obvious and most "used" by the mass media you denounce) there is the political side of the fight against the capitalism and the so called "civilized" easthern world. Obviously i don`t share all the reasons but this only. Concerning the means i totally disgagree with them. But don`t ask me to hide that behind this campaingn against islamic fundamentalism there is another obvious intention: to prepare the world and the masses for a more strong intervention against the arab countries in the sense to enlarge the economic explotation of those countries and make more comfortable and selfish the eastern citizens. 5-As you said what you tried to practice with me (and unfortunately Mr Pierre Petiot, not with your local police) was/is obviously "pure" verbal terrorism. Surely due a reason i tottaly ignore (to say the least and to not insulting you) you seems to love these particular kind of games just "in family" and to me absolutely non surrealist (doesn`t make no sense to fight the pretensiousism and arrogance on the others, the bourgeois, the tecnocrats, the capitalists, the stalinists, etc. and simultaneously use it between us. You are confounding criticism with pretentiousism, personal attacks and even threads as you used with me. Be sure what confounds me is your absolute lack of sensivity and cordiality i always used with you despite one or another disagreement. As i said before this was to me a very sad matter to read you acting like a common boaster. On his matter probably due my "stupidity" and "insanity" i learn nothing with you, except that was/is the lack of humility of some calling themselves as surrealists, one of the strong reasons Surrealism is considered dead by many sincere and interesting people. I am not pretending all you said was wrong or that you have to say nothing when something it seems to be wrong with each of one of us here but sincerely the means you used (at least with me) are very terrorist (in verbal sense but even with threads on physical way). 6-Yes, surely you know more than i about the subtle. You are the intelectual mind, the only and "unique" person who thinks and know the correct use of the words. Stop it, please. (it seems you are using now the same with Frank, stop it please, why don`t make propose changes on the texts trying to improve them or making them more aggresive instead of making the role of the surrealist highness between us?) On the contrary maybe one day some kind of nuts from the robotic science steal your brain to make some sort of new wave terminator. Agressivity and arrogance you already have, so... Pity you still remain to miss the target. Give me just one written from you that was addressed to your local police, church, government or parliament in the same terms you sent to me last days. If you did so and proved me, then i swere here i will be totally available to receive all what your mind decided to produce in the most recent years on the agressivity and verbal terrorism field. Maybe it will make you happy and more comfortable. 7-As you i am not interested too in nationalisms generally speaking but when we see the capitalist and very "internationalist" march (for example the present European "Union") we have to be prepared to share some concerns with people that is fighting this by very different means. Also the argelians was nationalists. The IRA you referred is nationalist too. When the portuguese or spanish farmers and fishermen are fighting against the french-german coalison to destroy their fields and boats they are nationalists too and politically why to denie them our solidarity? Or politically you think surrealists (at least individually) only have to take a general position and not to intervene on more specific matters that concerns the peoples? But on the point you referred ("the very core of their cause is killing") i see no differences with IRA, ETA and others. Aren`t the same "devils" (Kadafhi) and Iran to support them? Or are you ignoring this important "detail"? bye Mr. Pierre Petiot There will be an ending for this sad story? DETRACCAO E EXUBERANCIA DE UM ESCARRADOR FRANCES???????????? PS- Now that you saying to the others "i am just kick on Carlos ass" please don`t try to envolve the rest of the group in your own way (insulting, offending and threadning) of fighting the opinions you don`t agree. Kick your own balls, play with them (if you didn`t on your childhood) but please don`t be so arrogant and pretentious. Stop to remind me a seargent i had on the army. carlos
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