Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:46:39 -0400
From: SBronzell-AT-aol.com
Subject: Re: Failed mail (fwd), or mortal morals


> Thick of what -I still don't see the connection with the moral business.
> I don't know anything that has not a mortal 'life'. Yet I can think of
little
> that has a 'moral' one.<

Yes, but there are plenty of us _trying_ not to be mortal, or _ignoring_ it,
or being tempted by what seems to be a more exciting or powerful (maybe less
mortal?) path or life or whatever.  So your two observations are not in
conflict.

The thick of anything.  A girlfriend or boyfriend seeing another person.  The
death of a friend or relative.  The question of how to make a living.  To
want to get rich quick.  To have sex.

With anything,  we can try to hold it at bay or escape from it.  Rather than
walking into the furnace and conquering it, we try to snuff it out and not
deal with it.


> My problem with much of this is the prioritization of "experience" [the way
> its used also implies a priority of consciousness -for, at least in Freud's
> discussion of them, 'my' 'I' 'our' is not a plausible discussion of the 
> system Uc's (as Freud calls the unconscious)], is that it just cannot
function
> as central in this way. Without a conception of the "I" as central (a 
> questioning which started with -at least- Marx/Nietzsche/Freud), much of
your
> central notion of mortality, which even in Heidegger happens to an
individuated
> subject, needs to be questioned.
> 
> M
> 
matteo mandarini

Well, the "I" thinks of itself as central.  We can question it, diversify it,
deconstruct it out into its various strands or fragments, but it likes to
centralize.  Or at the very least to strike some kind of balance.  And that
is very practical or sane.  

I'm not sure what you are saying exactly by priorization of experience.  But
it seems that experience likes to put itself in a priority position.  I can
deprioritize it or jimmy its works so to speak, but then we're still in the
same ball game.  Experience prioritizes.  Without such prioritization, is it
experience at all?

So why bother attacking experience's priorities or the self's centrality?
 Why not leapfrog them?  That is to say, perhaps, negation rather than
annihilation or subduing or whatever.  Negation as jumping the fence.

But I'd like to hear more of what you're suggesting.  Perhaps more in your
own words, without citing Freud or Heidegger, etc....only because I myself
find it enough work to consider what we ourselves are saying or considering
without also trying to figure out what each of us thinks Freud or whoever is
saying.  Can you expand upon your above quoted thoughts? 

Sean







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